I know nothing about this topic. In particular, I haven’t heard of Michael Bailey and Kevin Hsu before.
But I do know that there are terrible arguments on both sides of every issue—even issues where there is also healthy discourse and very good arguments.
Are Michael Bailey and Kevin Hsu the least-bad arguers for their position? Or are they especially well-known / famous / widely-respected figure-heads of that side of the debate? If so, you should say that somewhere.
Otherwise it sounds (to non-knowledgeable ears like mine) like you were just searching for an idiot on that side of the aisle, and hey you found one, and now you can call them out for their idiocy and spread guilt-by-association to everyone else who has wound up reaching similar conclusions.
Michael Bailey is the most prominent and well-respect figure in this debate:
He is friends with Ray Blanchard, inventor of the term “autogynephilia”,
He wrote a book on homosexuality and transness titled “The Man Who Would Be Queen”, with a substantial part of the book being about autogynephilia,
He is one of the biggest advocates for autogynephilia theory, perhaps seconded by Kay Brown, Rod Fleming, Steve Sailer, or some radical feminists I don’t know about; but also certainly the most respectable figure among the autogynephilia advocates,
He runs SEXNET, an intellectual dark web mailing list for research into sexuality,
He is arguably the main academic researcher in the topic of autogynephilia.
Kevin Hsu used to be his grad student. I think the badness of autogynephilia discourse in this case is due to Bailey, since e.g. it was only him on the response paper, so let’s not bring Kevin Hsu into it. I only mentioned him because he was on the author list for the paper.
Also it should be said that e.g. Ray Blanchard isn’t necessarily better; for instance, he endorsed the Bailey study that I complained about in the OP.
Oh and I should say, Zack regularly cites Michael Bailey’s crew in the post I linked. By my count, Bailey is referenced 4 times, Blanchard is referenced 2 times, Lawrence is referenced 7 times, Cantor is referenced 1 time, Zucker is referenced 2 times, and Lippa is referenced 1 time.
I know nothing about this topic. In particular, I haven’t heard of Michael Bailey and Kevin Hsu before.
But I do know that there are terrible arguments on both sides of every issue—even issues where there is also healthy discourse and very good arguments.
Are Michael Bailey and Kevin Hsu the least-bad arguers for their position? Or are they especially well-known / famous / widely-respected figure-heads of that side of the debate? If so, you should say that somewhere.
Otherwise it sounds (to non-knowledgeable ears like mine) like you were just searching for an idiot on that side of the aisle, and hey you found one, and now you can call them out for their idiocy and spread guilt-by-association to everyone else who has wound up reaching similar conclusions.
Michael Bailey is the most prominent and well-respect figure in this debate:
He is friends with Ray Blanchard, inventor of the term “autogynephilia”,
He wrote a book on homosexuality and transness titled “The Man Who Would Be Queen”, with a substantial part of the book being about autogynephilia,
He is one of the biggest advocates for autogynephilia theory, perhaps seconded by Kay Brown, Rod Fleming, Steve Sailer, or some radical feminists I don’t know about; but also certainly the most respectable figure among the autogynephilia advocates,
He runs SEXNET, an intellectual dark web mailing list for research into sexuality,
He is arguably the main academic researcher in the topic of autogynephilia.
Kevin Hsu used to be his grad student. I think the badness of autogynephilia discourse in this case is due to Bailey, since e.g. it was only him on the response paper, so let’s not bring Kevin Hsu into it. I only mentioned him because he was on the author list for the paper.
Also it should be said that e.g. Ray Blanchard isn’t necessarily better; for instance, he endorsed the Bailey study that I complained about in the OP.
Oh and I should say, Zack regularly cites Michael Bailey’s crew in the post I linked. By my count, Bailey is referenced 4 times, Blanchard is referenced 2 times, Lawrence is referenced 7 times, Cantor is referenced 1 time, Zucker is referenced 2 times, and Lippa is referenced 1 time.
That’s helpful, thanks!