I don’t ascribe moral valence to societies, but to individuals, which is why I think this sort of social Darwinism is nothing short of barbaric.
Reread that sentence. Notice how the second half seems to contradict the first.
Perhaps you could explain?
You claim to not ascribe moral valence to societies, and then promptly proceed to declare a social system “barbaric”.
But I haven’t found any suggestions that people are evolving in any ways that would change the moral weight we should assign individuals.
I didn’t say anything about moral weight, largely because I’ve never heard a good explanation of how it is supposed to be assigned. I’m talking about their cognitive abilities, in particular their ability to act sufficiently morally.
I don’t think so, but I’m not exactly sure why you say that. From a consequentialist perspective, if people have the cognitive ability to understand moral thought, then the outcome of trying to convince them that they should use it in a particular way can be a net benefit and thus morally correct. [emphasis mine]
That’s deontological reasoning (there is a chance these people can be saved, thus it is our duty to try). Consequentialist reasoning would focus on how likely the attempt is to succeed and what the consequences of failure would be, not just whether they can be saved.
You claim to not ascribe moral valence to societies, and then promptly proceed to declare a social system “barbaric”.
Fair enough. One difficulty of consequentialism is that unpacking it into English can be either difficult or excessively verbose. The reason Star Trek style social Darwinism is barbaric is because of its consequences (death of billions), not because it violates a moral rule that I have regarding social Darwinism. If it worked, then that would be fine.
Consequentialist reasoning would focus on how likely the attempt is to succeed and what the consequences of failure would be, not just whether they can be saved.
The reason I said it “can be a net benefit” is specifically because I was trying to imply that one should weigh those consequences and act accordingly, not take action based on the fact that it is possible. The Prime Directive is a bright-line rule that precludes such weighing of consequences.
You claim to not ascribe moral valence to societies, and then promptly proceed to declare a social system “barbaric”.
I didn’t say anything about moral weight, largely because I’ve never heard a good explanation of how it is supposed to be assigned. I’m talking about their cognitive abilities, in particular their ability to act sufficiently morally.
That’s deontological reasoning (there is a chance these people can be saved, thus it is our duty to try). Consequentialist reasoning would focus on how likely the attempt is to succeed and what the consequences of failure would be, not just whether they can be saved.
Fair enough. One difficulty of consequentialism is that unpacking it into English can be either difficult or excessively verbose. The reason Star Trek style social Darwinism is barbaric is because of its consequences (death of billions), not because it violates a moral rule that I have regarding social Darwinism. If it worked, then that would be fine.
The reason I said it “can be a net benefit” is specifically because I was trying to imply that one should weigh those consequences and act accordingly, not take action based on the fact that it is possible. The Prime Directive is a bright-line rule that precludes such weighing of consequences.