In a void where there are just these particular Nazis and Jews, sure, but in most contexts, you’ll have a variety of intelligences with varying utility functions, and those with pro-arbitrary-genocide values are dangerous to have around.
Of course, there is the simple alternative of putting the Nazis in an enclosed environment where they believe that Jews don’t exist. Hypotheticals have to be really strongly defined in order to avoid lateral thinking solutions.
In a void where there are just these particular Nazis and Jews, sure, but in most contexts, you’ll have a variety of intelligences with varying utility functions, and those with pro-arbitrary-genocide values are dangerous to have around.
I am pretty sure that certain kinds of societies and minds are possible that while utterly benign and quite happy would cause 21st century humans to want to exterminate them and suffer greatly as long as it was known they existed.
You do realize modern Western societies rejection of plenty of kinds of hating or loving that are strongly influenced by evolution are due to its complex contingent history no?
Yes. And other kinds of hating or loving or hating-of-loving are influenced more by evolution, e.g. the appearance of covert liaisons and jealousy in societies where such covertness is possible. Or the unsurprising fact that humans generally love their children and are protective of them.
I never said no kinds of loving or hating are arbitrary (or at least determined by complex contigent history). I do say that many kinds are not arbitrary.
(My previous comment seems to be incomplete. Some example is missing after “for instance”, I probably intended to add one and forgot. This comment provides the example.)
If the Nazis have some built-in value that determines that they hate something utterly arbitrary, then why don’t we exterminate them?
It is certainly an option, but if there are enough Nazis, this is a low-utility “final solution” compared to the alternatives.
In a void where there are just these particular Nazis and Jews, sure, but in most contexts, you’ll have a variety of intelligences with varying utility functions, and those with pro-arbitrary-genocide values are dangerous to have around.
Of course, there is the simple alternative of putting the Nazis in an enclosed environment where they believe that Jews don’t exist. Hypotheticals have to be really strongly defined in order to avoid lateral thinking solutions.
I am pretty sure that certain kinds of societies and minds are possible that while utterly benign and quite happy would cause 21st century humans to want to exterminate them and suffer greatly as long as it was known they existed.
This may come as news, but all kinds of hating or loving something are utterly arbitrary.
Some kinds are a lot less arbitrary than others: for instance, being strongly influenced by evolution, rather than by complex contigent history.
You do realize modern Western societies rejection of plenty of kinds of hating or loving that are strongly influenced by evolution are due to its complex contingent history no?
Yes. And other kinds of hating or loving or hating-of-loving are influenced more by evolution, e.g. the appearance of covert liaisons and jealousy in societies where such covertness is possible. Or the unsurprising fact that humans generally love their children and are protective of them.
I never said no kinds of loving or hating are arbitrary (or at least determined by complex contigent history). I do say that many kinds are not arbitrary.
(My previous comment seems to be incomplete. Some example is missing after “for instance”, I probably intended to add one and forgot. This comment provides the example.)