but of course agreed on the object level. the post was not intended to be “I know what he’s doing wrong, here’s what it is”. it was a request for comments—that perhaps could have been clearer. It was very much “yeah, so, I don’t know what I’m trying to say, help?” not a coherent argument.
“no criticizing unless you know what it is you’re criticizing. all discussion must already know what it’s saying.” nah. the karma is negative—that’s fine. I’m not deleting it, there’s nothing wrong with it being public. it’s fine and normal to say vague things before non-vague things actually. the thing I’m attempting to describe is a fact about the impact of yudkowsky’s communication; I’m not at all the only one who has observed it.
It was very much “yeah, so, I don’t know what I’m trying to say, help?” not a coherent argument.
Yeah! I think the community should look into either using “epistemic status” labels to make this sort of thing clearer, or a new type of label (like “trying to be clear” vs “random idea” label).
if this was most inspired by my post being super confusing and vague—yeah, it was, and I set out knowing that; more details in a comment I added on my post. https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/XgEytvLc6xLK2ZeSy/does-anyone-know-how-to-explain-to-yudkowsky-why-he-needs-to?commentId=hdoyZDQNLkSj96DJJ
but of course agreed on the object level. the post was not intended to be “I know what he’s doing wrong, here’s what it is”. it was a request for comments—that perhaps could have been clearer. It was very much “yeah, so, I don’t know what I’m trying to say, help?” not a coherent argument.
If you personally criticize other people publically doing it in a super confusing and vague way while calling them a fool, that’s bad.
“no criticizing unless you know what it is you’re criticizing. all discussion must already know what it’s saying.” nah. the karma is negative—that’s fine. I’m not deleting it, there’s nothing wrong with it being public. it’s fine and normal to say vague things before non-vague things actually. the thing I’m attempting to describe is a fact about the impact of yudkowsky’s communication; I’m not at all the only one who has observed it.
There are a lot of ways to criticize other people without calling them a ‘fool’.
If you don’t know what you are saying, then it makes sense to be humble about what you are saying and not pretend that you have certainty.
yeah ok I see some issue there. fair enough.