I think the important bit from Said’s perspective is that these people were blocked for reasons not-related-to whether they had something useful to say about those rules, so we may be missing important things.
I’ll reiterate Habryka’s take on “I do think if we were to canonize some version of the rules, that should be in a place that everyone can comment on.” And I’d go on to say: on that post we also should relax some of the more opinionated rules about how to comment. i.e. we should avoid boxing ourselves in so that it’s hard to criticize the rules in practice.
I think a separate thing Said cares about is that there is some period for arguing about the rules before they “get canonized.” I do think there should be at least some period for this, but not worried about it being particularly long because
a) the mod team has had tons of time to think about what norms are good and people have had tons of time to argue, and I think this is mostly going to be cementing things that were already de-facto site norms,
b) people can still argue about the rules after the fact (and I think comments on The Rules post, and top level posts about site norms, should have at least some more leeway about how to argue. I think there’ll probably still be some norms like, ‘don’t do ad hominem attacks’ but don’t expect that to actually cause an issue)
That said, I certainly don’t promise that everyone will be happy with the rules, the process here will not be democratic, it’ll be the judgment of the LW mod team.
I think the important bit from Said’s perspective is that these people were blocked for reasons not-related-to whether they had something useful to say about those rules, so we may be missing important things.
I’ll reiterate Habryka’s take on “I do think if we were to canonize some version of the rules, that should be in a place that everyone can comment on.” And I’d go on to say: on that post we also should relax some of the more opinionated rules about how to comment. i.e. we should avoid boxing ourselves in so that it’s hard to criticize the rules in practice.
I think a separate thing Said cares about is that there is some period for arguing about the rules before they “get canonized.” I do think there should be at least some period for this, but not worried about it being particularly long because
a) the mod team has had tons of time to think about what norms are good and people have had tons of time to argue, and I think this is mostly going to be cementing things that were already de-facto site norms,
b) people can still argue about the rules after the fact (and I think comments on The Rules post, and top level posts about site norms, should have at least some more leeway about how to argue. I think there’ll probably still be some norms like, ‘don’t do ad hominem attacks’ but don’t expect that to actually cause an issue)
That said, I certainly don’t promise that everyone will be happy with the rules, the process here will not be democratic, it’ll be the judgment of the LW mod team.
Strong upvote, strong agree.