I’ve had pretty much the same objection to making Petrov day about UC and overall haven’t felt entirely satisfied with the counters. (Same with Petrov kind of being a unilateralist, though I moderately buy Habryka’s view that he was unilateralist with respect to local command structure but non-unilateralist with respect to humanity.) I generally have felt averse to what feels like dilution of the meaning of UC to something much closer to simple defection.
However, there is a way in which there is kind of disagreement about public benefits in the recent LW button scenario if you can sell your ability to nuke the site to someone who is a troll or motivated by spite, and then use the funds for something you think is good that outweighs the harm. At last Jeff K considered this but was dissuaded by others thinking it was a bad idea.
I like your donation/anonymity suggestion. The public shaming seems like a strong disincentive that disanalogizes the scenario from real world scenarios without this element (or where action would at least draw obvious praise from many).
The other direction is having an “opposing” site that our button takes down and vice versa plus chance of false alarm to more accurately resemble the history (though that is still more what I’d call a standard game theory/cooperation/defection thing than UC).
I’ve had pretty much the same objection to making Petrov day about UC and overall haven’t felt entirely satisfied with the counters. (Same with Petrov kind of being a unilateralist, though I moderately buy Habryka’s view that he was unilateralist with respect to local command structure but non-unilateralist with respect to humanity.) I generally have felt averse to what feels like dilution of the meaning of UC to something much closer to simple defection.
However, there is a way in which there is kind of disagreement about public benefits in the recent LW button scenario if you can sell your ability to nuke the site to someone who is a troll or motivated by spite, and then use the funds for something you think is good that outweighs the harm. At last Jeff K considered this but was dissuaded by others thinking it was a bad idea.
I like your donation/anonymity suggestion. The public shaming seems like a strong disincentive that disanalogizes the scenario from real world scenarios without this element (or where action would at least draw obvious praise from many).
The other direction is having an “opposing” site that our button takes down and vice versa plus chance of false alarm to more accurately resemble the history (though that is still more what I’d call a standard game theory/cooperation/defection thing than UC).