A bit of a silly thing to say, even if it is tounge-and-cheek.
I disagree and reject your labelling. I’d go as far as calling your objection naive.The difference between things-that-philosophers-do and the things that Machiavelli did point to important distinctions in reality. Regardless of whether or not ‘philosopher’ is stretched to include people that are atypical of the class it remains important to at least acknowledge that there is a difference that is being glossed over.
A- I was not saying that Machievalli wasn’t a political scientist- the distinction is considerably vague and I know so little I don’t consider an assertion in the negative justified. However, to claim it was a disservice would imply it was somehow insulting to suggest he was a philosopher. Would it be a disservice to Einstein to suggest he was a biologist? No- however silly it would be in that less ambigious case.
B- If we take examples in the period between, say, 1400 and 1600 of “political scientists”, and “political philosophers”, then the distinction becomes very vague. Most examples are ambigious rather than clearly one or clearly the other. I would venture a guess (though I don’t know quite enough to assert it) that most of them would draw on experience of the world (sort-of scientific), not do experiments (impossible for practical purposes to experiment- very ocassionally a ruler could test out a political philosophy but this is the limit and still not scientific), and include implicit philosophy through the use of ethics in terms of what sort of society would be ‘best’ (for example, Machievalli himself implicitly assumed in the Prince, although I’m given to understand it’s a bit different in other works, that the fact men are evil means a ruler is not obliged to treat them in a good fashion. This is an ethical claim).
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I disagree and reject your labelling. I’d go as far as calling your objection naive.The difference between things-that-philosophers-do and the things that Machiavelli did point to important distinctions in reality. Regardless of whether or not ‘philosopher’ is stretched to include people that are atypical of the class it remains important to at least acknowledge that there is a difference that is being glossed over.
A- I was not saying that Machievalli wasn’t a political scientist- the distinction is considerably vague and I know so little I don’t consider an assertion in the negative justified. However, to claim it was a disservice would imply it was somehow insulting to suggest he was a philosopher. Would it be a disservice to Einstein to suggest he was a biologist? No- however silly it would be in that less ambigious case. B- If we take examples in the period between, say, 1400 and 1600 of “political scientists”, and “political philosophers”, then the distinction becomes very vague. Most examples are ambigious rather than clearly one or clearly the other. I would venture a guess (though I don’t know quite enough to assert it) that most of them would draw on experience of the world (sort-of scientific), not do experiments (impossible for practical purposes to experiment- very ocassionally a ruler could test out a political philosophy but this is the limit and still not scientific), and include implicit philosophy through the use of ethics in terms of what sort of society would be ‘best’ (for example, Machievalli himself implicitly assumed in the Prince, although I’m given to understand it’s a bit different in other works, that the fact men are evil means a ruler is not obliged to treat them in a good fashion. This is an ethical claim).
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