My point was, it’s not a steelman response to pick a deliberately weak foil (and Rand is a quite weak foil as far as movement leaders are concerned).
Do you use “movement leader” synonymous with “guru”?
Feymann isn’t a movement leader. Do you object to EY wanting to be a movement leader?
I don’t think Ayn Rand is a deliberately weak foil. Jim Jones is a deliberately weak foil.
I use Ayn Rand because it’s the nearest “rational cult” I can think of.
If I would seek for “rational movement” I could also go for New Atheists. Richard Dawkins is a movement leader. On the other hand I wouldn’t call him a guru. Would you?
Why are you comparing against a negative example, rather than an example to emulate?
Because you criticise him for being a “guru” and not for not being “XY” (word that describe a positive thing).
That makes it important to understand what you mean with guru and whether you consider someone like Dawkins to be a guru and who you consider to be guru’s that aren’t “deliberately weak foil”.
Do you use “movement leader” synonymous with “guru”? Feymann isn’t a movement leader. Do you object to EY wanting to be a movement leader?
I don’t think Ayn Rand is a deliberately weak foil. Jim Jones is a deliberately weak foil. I use Ayn Rand because it’s the nearest “rational cult” I can think of.
If I would seek for “rational movement” I could also go for New Atheists. Richard Dawkins is a movement leader. On the other hand I wouldn’t call him a guru. Would you?
Why are you comparing against a negative example, rather than an example to emulate?
I already described what sorts of features of EY’s make him a “guru.”
Because you criticise him for being a “guru” and not for not being “XY” (word that describe a positive thing).
That makes it important to understand what you mean with guru and whether you consider someone like Dawkins to be a guru and who you consider to be guru’s that aren’t “deliberately weak foil”.