I consider rwallace’s advice in the parent to be outright toxic for a broad class of recipients. In particular, those that lack talent for keeping actual decision making divorced from signalling beliefs.
This class can’t follow the Rules, either. We’re better off being idealists (and out as such, since we’re open books). We get suckered sometimes, but we attract allies because we’re trustworthy and non-threatening, and we can ally among ourselves.
Your job is to make them look good in front of their superiors and peers in way that they feel inclined to reward you for.
you are an idealist to the ingroup and a hard nosed realist to the outgroup. everyone else understands this, when you don’t do it they think there is something wrong with you and deny you ingroup status.
We’re better off being idealists (and out as such, since we’re open books).
So long as you can convey that you are the right kind of idealistic. That is, it is important to be clear that cooperation is conditional. Because it is just a pain in the ass to actually have to @#%# people over when they try to defect. (Even thought it is sometimes profitable!)
Make it obvious that you will not keep being nice to them regardless of what they do. If they ‘defect’ then ‘defect back if convenient’ is the ideal that you hope they will attribute to you.
This class can’t follow the Rules, either. We’re better off being idealists (and out as such, since we’re open books). We get suckered sometimes, but we attract allies because we’re trustworthy and non-threatening, and we can ally among ourselves.
Upvoted.
you are an idealist to the ingroup and a hard nosed realist to the outgroup. everyone else understands this, when you don’t do it they think there is something wrong with you and deny you ingroup status.
Some of them, for sure.
So long as you can convey that you are the right kind of idealistic. That is, it is important to be clear that cooperation is conditional. Because it is just a pain in the ass to actually have to @#%# people over when they try to defect. (Even thought it is sometimes profitable!)
Your cooperation or theirs?
Make it obvious that you will not keep being nice to them regardless of what they do. If they ‘defect’ then ‘defect back if convenient’ is the ideal that you hope they will attribute to you.