Later that year Eliezer wrote a 55 page document describing Arbital and how and why it was different and necessary.
Given that Eliezer, you and habryka are saying what you’re saying, out of respect for all of you, I truly do believe that you are right. But it is hard not to be curious when a 55 page document was released and about three years worth of work had been done (meaning that there’s notes, designs, code, and mental models that you and the other people who worked on the project have).
I can sorta grok the idea that it wouldn’t be possible to get every small detail exactly the way Eliezer envisions. But what about using the big document plus everything else for the broad (and medium) strokes, and filling in the details by using ones judgement? The details won’t get filled exactly the way Eliezer envisioned, but I’d think that it’d be a decent approximation. And even if it isn’t such a great approximation, the broad strokes would still be there, right? To wrap up this thought: I’m having trouble grokking why it would be essential to get all of the small details exactly the way Eliezer envisioned.
I sympathize. It’s a giant and weird project the likes of which the world has not seen in a while. If I wrote down how to implement just what we built so far so that someone could read it an unambiguously translate it into the current product, I think the document would be around 200 pages. And what we implemented was may be ~15% of Eliezer’s full vision that he was describing in his document.
By the way, we followed Eliezer’s direct vision for only 1.5 years. Then we took matters into our own hands and the design went elsewhere.
Turns out it’s hard to get the broad details right too. It’s basicly hard on every level.
If it’s not according to Eliezer’s specification, then it doesn’t have Eliezer’s “magic touch”. I think if you’d ask Eliezer, he would tell you that the feature you built (or the whole product) won’t work as well or at all.
Given that Eliezer, you and habryka are saying what you’re saying, out of respect for all of you, I truly do believe that you are right. But it is hard not to be curious when a 55 page document was released and about three years worth of work had been done (meaning that there’s notes, designs, code, and mental models that you and the other people who worked on the project have).
I can sorta grok the idea that it wouldn’t be possible to get every small detail exactly the way Eliezer envisions. But what about using the big document plus everything else for the broad (and medium) strokes, and filling in the details by using ones judgement? The details won’t get filled exactly the way Eliezer envisioned, but I’d think that it’d be a decent approximation. And even if it isn’t such a great approximation, the broad strokes would still be there, right? To wrap up this thought: I’m having trouble grokking why it would be essential to get all of the small details exactly the way Eliezer envisioned.
I sympathize. It’s a giant and weird project the likes of which the world has not seen in a while. If I wrote down how to implement just what we built so far so that someone could read it an unambiguously translate it into the current product, I think the document would be around 200 pages. And what we implemented was may be ~15% of Eliezer’s full vision that he was describing in his document.
By the way, we followed Eliezer’s direct vision for only 1.5 years. Then we took matters into our own hands and the design went elsewhere.
Turns out it’s hard to get the broad details right too. It’s basicly hard on every level.
If it’s not according to Eliezer’s specification, then it doesn’t have Eliezer’s “magic touch”. I think if you’d ask Eliezer, he would tell you that the feature you built (or the whole product) won’t work as well or at all.