I read this as an argument why black should win the conflict between black and green in the magic color relations. I am more familiar where black is painted as the viallain side and this contrast seemd to be very fruitful in my mind as this seemed like the rare point of view that is pro-black.
-Black does have to worry about punishments of deviants but black also can be quite okay about being in actual conflict. The “error corrections” of deviation punishments can sometimes be justified. At the local level you don’t always have the means to appriciate your actions consequences for the wider picture. Green likes empricially found global solutions and it really really dislikes when black individuals have a strong influence in their locality preventing certain types of solutions. Ignoring the athmospheric effects of CO2 allows for easier design of powerful industrial processes and picking up that fruit might be very relevant to personal interests but its not like the restriction (or I guess concern at this stage) is there without cause.
-Black takes actions that have known downsides that it can think it can get away with. The trouble is that sometimes there are downsides they could not have known from their start position and they can get bitten by things they could have known but did not in fact know. Green doesn’t have a model why what it does works so it handles unknown dangers equally as well as familiar threats. Curiosity like kills cats (althoguht curiosity isn’t selected against atleast not strong enough).
-In the magic metaphor the willingness to take loss is much more severe. It’s about willingness to cut your hand off to get at your goal. Framing it as “having high consitution” easily paints a picture where losses can be recovered from. But if you die or you lose your arm you don’t get resurrected or regrow a limb. Black is about achieving things that are otherwise impossible but also summoing stuff that would never happen to you otherwise too.
-The flip side of preventing taking others opinins too readily is imposing your will too strongly on others. If you take on a vocabulary that suggests and helps you make a plan of action but also demonises other people it can be easier to be the villain (pretty common trope also that villains act and heroes react). If it is better to rule hell and than serve in heaven is it worth the trouble to turn heaven into hell based solely that your personal situation improves? The whole “aligment problem” is kind of the realisation that an independent mind will have an independent direction which could theorethically be in conflict with other directions. The black stance is that “indidivual will” is a resource to be celebrated and not a problem to be solved away.
I have to be careful what I say about the model that I have in mind in that post. I just want to be clear that I don’t think we need this model in order to make a certain kind of assumption.
It is a universal law that all things in life are a kind of universal law.
A universal law is not some kind of universal law.
There are many ideas that seem to hold the idea that “anything in life” (say, human-caused global warming) is universal in this universe (for example, no heat gradient for humans), but many things in evolution can’t be universal in this universe (for example, no carbon dating for a human), even if we knew it’s universal law.
The model we presented in your post can, in some cases, be more fundamental than the one we actually actually have. But the “common” model, the one that I proposed in your post, just doesn’t hold any stronger claim.
I don’t think it’s a good model to model general conditions of development from which a universal law is in conflict with universal nature.
I read this as an argument why black should win the conflict between black and green in the magic color relations. I am more familiar where black is painted as the viallain side and this contrast seemd to be very fruitful in my mind as this seemed like the rare point of view that is pro-black.
-Black does have to worry about punishments of deviants but black also can be quite okay about being in actual conflict. The “error corrections” of deviation punishments can sometimes be justified. At the local level you don’t always have the means to appriciate your actions consequences for the wider picture. Green likes empricially found global solutions and it really really dislikes when black individuals have a strong influence in their locality preventing certain types of solutions. Ignoring the athmospheric effects of CO2 allows for easier design of powerful industrial processes and picking up that fruit might be very relevant to personal interests but its not like the restriction (or I guess concern at this stage) is there without cause.
-Black takes actions that have known downsides that it can think it can get away with. The trouble is that sometimes there are downsides they could not have known from their start position and they can get bitten by things they could have known but did not in fact know. Green doesn’t have a model why what it does works so it handles unknown dangers equally as well as familiar threats. Curiosity like kills cats (althoguht curiosity isn’t selected against atleast not strong enough).
-In the magic metaphor the willingness to take loss is much more severe. It’s about willingness to cut your hand off to get at your goal. Framing it as “having high consitution” easily paints a picture where losses can be recovered from. But if you die or you lose your arm you don’t get resurrected or regrow a limb. Black is about achieving things that are otherwise impossible but also summoing stuff that would never happen to you otherwise too.
-The flip side of preventing taking others opinins too readily is imposing your will too strongly on others. If you take on a vocabulary that suggests and helps you make a plan of action but also demonises other people it can be easier to be the villain (pretty common trope also that villains act and heroes react). If it is better to rule hell and than serve in heaven is it worth the trouble to turn heaven into hell based solely that your personal situation improves? The whole “aligment problem” is kind of the realisation that an independent mind will have an independent direction which could theorethically be in conflict with other directions. The black stance is that “indidivual will” is a resource to be celebrated and not a problem to be solved away.
I have to be careful what I say about the model that I have in mind in that post. I just want to be clear that I don’t think we need this model in order to make a certain kind of assumption.
It is a universal law that all things in life are a kind of universal law.
A universal law is not some kind of universal law.
There are many ideas that seem to hold the idea that “anything in life” (say, human-caused global warming) is universal in this universe (for example, no heat gradient for humans), but many things in evolution can’t be universal in this universe (for example, no carbon dating for a human), even if we knew it’s universal law.
The model we presented in your post can, in some cases, be more fundamental than the one we actually actually have. But the “common” model, the one that I proposed in your post, just doesn’t hold any stronger claim.
I don’t think it’s a good model to model general conditions of development from which a universal law is in conflict with universal nature.