This is easily turned into a counterexample to basing moral on God. Say that for what ever reason somebody just hasn’t have access to bible/christian teachings. Then the harassers visit this guy. It would still be “If it happened to them, they probably would say, ‘Something about this just ain’t right’”. Proposedly later the bible and christian teaching were offered to this guy and he later realises that what the guys did was really really wrong. This is really implausible, it is way earlier that he would suspect that this isn’t right and would probably act to stop it. Humans are not that morally clueless without gods. We do not NEED to offload moral judgement to the heavens, we don’t turn into such psychopaths for not having access to a bible.
But given the guy would propably “discover” their ethical nature in feeling justified to take action against such attacks and we don″t naturallly come up with good theorethical justifications how things might work out so that something can be bad.
Nobody needs to reference anything religious in order to be be tempted as the receiver of the attack to label it wrong. “Geez this feels really uncomfortable but I guess I can’t judge this because I don’t have any moral authorities to tell me that would be okay”. That would be like arguing that soldiers would be physically unable to shoot unless some general orders them to. While it is true that soldiers under a command of a general will wait till an order to shoot, a soldier that knows they are generalless will not wait for external ques to act. Correspondingly humans are capable of being independent moral agents. They don’t need to be told to be moral. Even if their goodness can be boosted by being part of a communal moral discussion.
This is easily turned into a counterexample to basing moral on God. Say that for what ever reason somebody just hasn’t have access to bible/christian teachings. Then the harassers visit this guy. It would still be “If it happened to them, they probably would say, ‘Something about this just ain’t right’”. Proposedly later the bible and christian teaching were offered to this guy and he later realises that what the guys did was really really wrong. This is really implausible, it is way earlier that he would suspect that this isn’t right and would probably act to stop it. Humans are not that morally clueless without gods. We do not NEED to offload moral judgement to the heavens, we don’t turn into such psychopaths for not having access to a bible.
But given the guy would propably “discover” their ethical nature in feeling justified to take action against such attacks and we don″t naturallly come up with good theorethical justifications how things might work out so that something can be bad.
The claim is that they would not be able to say what.
Nobody needs to reference anything religious in order to be be tempted as the receiver of the attack to label it wrong. “Geez this feels really uncomfortable but I guess I can’t judge this because I don’t have any moral authorities to tell me that would be okay”. That would be like arguing that soldiers would be physically unable to shoot unless some general orders them to. While it is true that soldiers under a command of a general will wait till an order to shoot, a soldier that knows they are generalless will not wait for external ques to act. Correspondingly humans are capable of being independent moral agents. They don’t need to be told to be moral. Even if their goodness can be boosted by being part of a communal moral discussion.