Probably because of hyperbolic discounting. Actually the topic of “not doing what you really want to do” AKA Akrasia has been discussed to death on here and AFAIK there isn’t a full consensus on what causes it.
So, you can’t—for whatever reason—make yourself an alarm, a checklist, or basically anything that’s a sign that says “negative ROI—stop immedietly”?
I don’t care for “hyperbolic discounting” (I have no idea what it means and neither do I care) and akrasia as far as I can tell is usually codeword for “I’m a lazy fuck”.
I think it’s due time to tell that I find this post absurd. Your solutions, absurd, to an absurd enough problem, that you’re (ironically) well-aware of. You might have some psychological problem.
I don’t care for “hyperbolic discounting” (I have no idea what it means and neither do I care)
Well if you don’t know what it is then how do you know … Anyway if you don’t care about any of this then why are you even participating? The internet is a big place man with plenty of other fora…
(I do not claim to speak for the_jaded_one, but this needs to be said.)
So, you can’t—for whatever reason—make yourself an alarm, a checklist, or basically anything that’s a sign that says “negative ROI—stop immedietly”?
No. On the occasion that this is an option, it is fairly useless.
akrasia as far as I can tell is usually codeword for “I’m a lazy fuck”.
Akrasia is shorthand for “I have spent the past nine years desperately trying to get the action part of my brain and the conscious desire part of my brain to agree, and I have failed so hard for nearly a decade that I’ve anthropomorphized the condition so I can disguise the resulting suicidality as threatening a supernatural being to a fight to the death”.
If you’d rather, Akrasia is code for “I am a lazy fuck, but not by choice”.
You might have some psychological problem.
It was obvious to me that this was a psychological problem seven years ago. Professionals have been so fucking useless I don’t even.
The only thing that’s ever helped* me reliably in the past is restrictions I can’t easily work around. If the_jaded_one is healthier enough that an easily-deleted smartphone-disabling app would help, then I find this post not absurd, but enviable.
* help is not a solution, but we’re talking the difference between suicidally depressed and “What the fuck do I say about Cahier d’un retour au pays natal?”.
No. On the occasion that this is an option, it is fairly useless.
Why?
If you’d rather, Akrasia is code for “I am a lazy fuck, but not by choice”.
I’d rather.
The only thing that’s ever helped* me reliably in the past is restrictions I can’t easily work around. If the_jaded_one is healthier enough that an easily-deleted smartphone-disabling app would help, then I find this post not absurd, but enviable.
Those are still EXTREME measures. He either has it, and we know what happens, or he either doesn’t have it, and he himself said that it switched from his PC to his smartphone. This would imply that he’s simply blaming other stuff, like his PC and phone, so he says that if he’ll eliminate these from the equation, he’ll be productive. As good a proposition as any other, but:
Will it (not) pass into another object?
Is it an inability to resist temptation?
I might be blessed, but I often think that people like the OP simply lack some sort of self-control. I’ve seen it in other forms, for example—people on a diet unable to resist a candy or something else, and I think these people lack self control.
I also think OP doesn’t have any goal to strive for, so maybe gaming sessions til 5 AM are not such a bad idea.
Seriously though, if you say “akrasia” is a codeword for “lazy as fuck” (or whatever), you’ve just replaced one symbol with another. Have you made any progress? If you found yourself going to bed an hour or two later than is optimal, and you said “aha! I’m not akraitic, I’m lazy as fuck!”, how would that help you?
People often say “just have some self discipline!”, but that is like saying to a beggar “just cause money to exist in your pocket!”—it’s stating the obvious.
Having an app that shuts the phone down is a way of achieving your goals with the self discipline you already have, and it is something you can actually do. It’s specific and actionable.
Why is it so hard for you to, say, dump the computer and go to sleep at [desired time]?
Replace computer with any other activity you think does less good than you could have done.
Probably because of hyperbolic discounting. Actually the topic of “not doing what you really want to do” AKA Akrasia has been discussed to death on here and AFAIK there isn’t a full consensus on what causes it.
So, you can’t—for whatever reason—make yourself an alarm, a checklist, or basically anything that’s a sign that says “negative ROI—stop immedietly”?
I don’t care for “hyperbolic discounting” (I have no idea what it means and neither do I care) and akrasia as far as I can tell is usually codeword for “I’m a lazy fuck”.
I think it’s due time to tell that I find this post absurd. Your solutions, absurd, to an absurd enough problem, that you’re (ironically) well-aware of. You might have some psychological problem.
Well if you don’t know what it is then how do you know … Anyway if you don’t care about any of this then why are you even participating? The internet is a big place man with plenty of other fora…
(I do not claim to speak for the_jaded_one, but this needs to be said.)
No. On the occasion that this is an option, it is fairly useless.
Akrasia is shorthand for “I have spent the past nine years desperately trying to get the action part of my brain and the conscious desire part of my brain to agree, and I have failed so hard for nearly a decade that I’ve anthropomorphized the condition so I can disguise the resulting suicidality as threatening a supernatural being to a fight to the death”.
If you’d rather, Akrasia is code for “I am a lazy fuck, but not by choice”.
It was obvious to me that this was a psychological problem seven years ago. Professionals have been so fucking useless I don’t even.
The only thing that’s ever helped* me reliably in the past is restrictions I can’t easily work around. If the_jaded_one is healthier enough that an easily-deleted smartphone-disabling app would help, then I find this post not absurd, but enviable.
* help is not a solution, but we’re talking the difference between suicidally depressed and “What the fuck do I say about Cahier d’un retour au pays natal?”.
Why?
I’d rather.
Those are still EXTREME measures. He either has it, and we know what happens, or he either doesn’t have it, and he himself said that it switched from his PC to his smartphone. This would imply that he’s simply blaming other stuff, like his PC and phone, so he says that if he’ll eliminate these from the equation, he’ll be productive. As good a proposition as any other, but:
Will it (not) pass into another object?
Is it an inability to resist temptation?
I might be blessed, but I often think that people like the OP simply lack some sort of self-control. I’ve seen it in other forms, for example—people on a diet unable to resist a candy or something else, and I think these people lack self control.
I also think OP doesn’t have any goal to strive for, so maybe gaming sessions til 5 AM are not such a bad idea.
I can resist anything except temptation
Seriously though, if you say “akrasia” is a codeword for “lazy as fuck” (or whatever), you’ve just replaced one symbol with another. Have you made any progress? If you found yourself going to bed an hour or two later than is optimal, and you said “aha! I’m not akraitic, I’m lazy as fuck!”, how would that help you?
People often say “just have some self discipline!”, but that is like saying to a beggar “just cause money to exist in your pocket!”—it’s stating the obvious.
Having an app that shuts the phone down is a way of achieving your goals with the self discipline you already have, and it is something you can actually do. It’s specific and actionable.