Yeah, I don’t really know. It just depends on your paradigm—according to rationalists like yourself, it seems, a cold rational analysis is most “correct” and reliable. For some others, the process involves fasting and prayer. I’m not going to say either is infallible. Certainly logic is a wonderful thing which has its place in our lives. But taken too far it’s not always helpful or accurate, especially in us subjective humans.
Well, I certainly agree about fallibility. Humans don’t have access to infallible epistemologies.
That said, if fasting and prayer reliably gets me the most useful confidence levels in propositions for achieving my goals, then I should engage in fasting and prayer because that’s part of the most reliable process for evaluating evidence.
If it doesn’t, then that’s not a reason for me to engage in fasting and prayer, though I may choose to do so for other reasons.
Either one of those things is true, or the other is. And I may not know enough about the world to decide with confidence which it is (though I sure do seem to), but even if I don’t my ignorance doesn’t somehow make it the case that they are both true.
These words seem subjective or at the very least unmeasurable. There is no way of determining absolutely whether something is “reliable” or “useful” without ridiculously technical definitions, which ruin the point anyway.
(sorry if I don’t respond right away. I’ve been retributively downvoted to −15 and so LW is giving me a hassle about commenting. The forum programming meant well...)
sorry if I don’t respond right away. I’ve been [...] downvoted to −15
That’s OK. If we no longer have any way of agreeing on whether propositions are useful, reliable, or true, or agreeing on what it means for propositions to be any of these things, then I don’t anticipate the discussion going anywhere from here that’s worth my time. We can let it drop here.
(sorry if I don’t respond right away. I’ve been retributively downvoted to −15 and so LW is giving me a hassle about commenting. The forum programming meant well...)
Working as intended. Evangelism of terrible thinking is not welcome here. For most intents and purposes you are a troll. It’s time for you to go and time for me to start downvoting anyone who feeds you. Farewell Ibidem (if you the user behind the handle ever happen to gain an actual sincere interest in rationality I recommend creating a new account and making a fresh start.)
Yeah, I don’t really know. It just depends on your paradigm—according to rationalists like yourself, it seems, a cold rational analysis is most “correct” and reliable. For some others, the process involves fasting and prayer. I’m not going to say either is infallible. Certainly logic is a wonderful thing which has its place in our lives. But taken too far it’s not always helpful or accurate, especially in us subjective humans.
Well, I certainly agree about fallibility. Humans don’t have access to infallible epistemologies.
That said, if fasting and prayer reliably gets me the most useful confidence levels in propositions for achieving my goals, then I should engage in fasting and prayer because that’s part of the most reliable process for evaluating evidence.
If it doesn’t, then that’s not a reason for me to engage in fasting and prayer, though I may choose to do so for other reasons.
Either one of those things is true, or the other is. And I may not know enough about the world to decide with confidence which it is (though I sure do seem to), but even if I don’t my ignorance doesn’t somehow make it the case that they are both true.
Is there no possibility of partly true?
These words seem subjective or at the very least unmeasurable. There is no way of determining absolutely whether something is “reliable” or “useful” without ridiculously technical definitions, which ruin the point anyway.
(sorry if I don’t respond right away. I’ve been retributively downvoted to −15 and so LW is giving me a hassle about commenting. The forum programming meant well...)
That’s OK. If we no longer have any way of agreeing on whether propositions are useful, reliable, or true, or agreeing on what it means for propositions to be any of these things, then I don’t anticipate the discussion going anywhere from here that’s worth my time. We can let it drop here.
Working as intended. Evangelism of terrible thinking is not welcome here. For most intents and purposes you are a troll. It’s time for you to go and time for me to start downvoting anyone who feeds you. Farewell Ibidem (if you the user behind the handle ever happen to gain an actual sincere interest in rationality I recommend creating a new account and making a fresh start.)