I agree that whatever is available will be used to whatever extent can be gotten away with. And opt-outs generally don’t work that well, or even can be counterproductive like in the case of tailoring ads to people who opt out of receiving them. That being said, an opt out token is better than what is available now, which is totally nothing. Yes, this would only work if all players actually respected it (ha!), but it’s a start. And may get the conversation going. Like Stallman with GNU.
Your proposed approach isn’t helpful. You’re pretty much suggesting to stop contributing to open source (wikipedia, social media, anything), as you can never tell what will be done with your code (or what you wrote). Though after reading through this again it might simply be a communications problem, where I assume your statement is snark, rather than a valid observation that once the cat is out of the bag it’s out and a general exhortation to increase one’s digital hygiene. Still—open source sort of requires people to be able to read it in order for it to work...
Since this was not clear, that’s correct. The intention is not to encourage non-contribution to the open internet, including open source projects.
It is a problem in 2022 when someone seriously proposes opt-out as a solution to anything. Our world does not “do” opt-out. Our concept of “opting out” of the big-data world is some inconsequential cookie selection with a “yes” and a buried “no” to make the user feel good. We are far past the point of starting conversations. It’s not productive, or useful, when it’s predictably the case that one’s publicly accessible data will end up used for AI training by major players anyway, many of whom will have no obligation to follow even token opt-out and data protection measures.
Conversations can be good, but founding one on a predictably dead-end direction does not seem to make much sense.
This isn’t a suggestion to do nothing, it’s a suggestion to look elsewhere. At the margin, “opting out” does not affect anything except the gullible user’s imagination.
I agree that whatever is available will be used to whatever extent can be gotten away with. And opt-outs generally don’t work that well, or even can be counterproductive like in the case of tailoring ads to people who opt out of receiving them. That being said, an opt out token is better than what is available now, which is totally nothing. Yes, this would only work if all players actually respected it (ha!), but it’s a start. And may get the conversation going. Like Stallman with GNU.
Your proposed approach isn’t helpful. You’re pretty much suggesting to stop contributing to open source (wikipedia, social media, anything), as you can never tell what will be done with your code (or what you wrote). Though after reading through this again it might simply be a communications problem, where I assume your statement is snark, rather than a valid observation that once the cat is out of the bag it’s out and a general exhortation to increase one’s digital hygiene. Still—open source sort of requires people to be able to read it in order for it to work...
Since this was not clear, that’s correct. The intention is not to encourage non-contribution to the open internet, including open source projects.
It is a problem in 2022 when someone seriously proposes opt-out as a solution to anything. Our world does not “do” opt-out. Our concept of “opting out” of the big-data world is some inconsequential cookie selection with a “yes” and a buried “no” to make the user feel good. We are far past the point of starting conversations. It’s not productive, or useful, when it’s predictably the case that one’s publicly accessible data will end up used for AI training by major players anyway, many of whom will have no obligation to follow even token opt-out and data protection measures.
Conversations can be good, but founding one on a predictably dead-end direction does not seem to make much sense.
This isn’t a suggestion to do nothing, it’s a suggestion to look elsewhere. At the margin, “opting out” does not affect anything except the gullible user’s imagination.