Very well, if you know about the phenomena and have upon introspection found the feeling to be different I’m going to update in your direction. I still think it is the more likley explanation though.
I do appreciate that you have apparently given these concerns some thought, I’ve put some weight to that in my mind.
But generally I think one can’t craft these memes without value altering applications. I don’t agree with Unitarian Universalism and this seems to be slowly reaching into their niche in both the social as well as ideological sense. Not everyone here is a “humanist”, whatever that means and those that aren’t might feel excluded by such language.
Adding ritual also I think reduces the “applicable rationality” to “save the world” ratio. This might not seem like a bad thing (who dosen’t want to save the world, for particular values of variable “save”?), but I think it should be acknowledged it is a step in the opposite direction that we find useful and proper when it comes to the relation between the organization of SIAI and the future unnamed rationality organization (presumably thus inheriting SIAI’s close connection to LW).
Why is the SIAI better off spinning off its rationalism promoting activities to a different separate organization? Why isn’t therefore the community better off enacting clear borders between when its happy spiralling around “rationality” and when its spiralling around “reducing existential risk” or slightly more dangerously “altruism”? This was basically done at an early point where all mention of “SIAI” and even talk of AI was temporarily banished from the community as a measure.
Was this a mistake? Or is the community more mature, not in its seed stage any more? If the latter dosen’t this mean LessWrong is basically done growing and expanding? If it will still do significant growing why don’t the same concerns that prompted the taboo, still applicable if to a lesser degree?
Very well, if you know about the phenomena and have upon introspection found the feeling to be different I’m going to update in your direction. I still think it is the more likley explanation though.
The followup post goes into some more detail, as well as related issues. Was curious if it addressed your concerns or raised new ones.
I do appreciate that you have apparently given these concerns some thought, I’ve put some weight to that in my mind.
But generally I think one can’t craft these memes without value altering applications. I don’t agree with Unitarian Universalism and this seems to be slowly reaching into their niche in both the social as well as ideological sense. Not everyone here is a “humanist”, whatever that means and those that aren’t might feel excluded by such language.
Adding ritual also I think reduces the “applicable rationality” to “save the world” ratio. This might not seem like a bad thing (who dosen’t want to save the world, for particular values of variable “save”?), but I think it should be acknowledged it is a step in the opposite direction that we find useful and proper when it comes to the relation between the organization of SIAI and the future unnamed rationality organization (presumably thus inheriting SIAI’s close connection to LW).
Why is the SIAI better off spinning off its rationalism promoting activities to a different separate organization? Why isn’t therefore the community better off enacting clear borders between when its happy spiralling around “rationality” and when its spiralling around “reducing existential risk” or slightly more dangerously “altruism”? This was basically done at an early point where all mention of “SIAI” and even talk of AI was temporarily banished from the community as a measure.
Was this a mistake? Or is the community more mature, not in its seed stage any more? If the latter dosen’t this mean LessWrong is basically done growing and expanding? If it will still do significant growing why don’t the same concerns that prompted the taboo, still applicable if to a lesser degree?