Eliezer’s sequences touch upon this concept but I’m not sure they actually use the phrase. Much of my understanding of it came from in-person conversations. Various comments and posts have discussed it but to my knowledge there isn’t a clear online writeup.
[Question] What is “Social Reality?”
I think “conformity” is a better word because it describes behavior, not some special kind of reality (wha?)
But “conformity” is about actions, while “social reality” is about perceptions. Maybe “social umwelt” would make more sense, though.
Conformity is about perceptions too: it doesn’t just stop you from cutting in line, it makes you feel that cutting in line is inappropriate. Isn’t that a central example of what “social reality” is about?
People seem to be conflating “social reality” with “social constructs.” To me these are very different phenomena—the appropriate way to form a line would be a social construct, since we’ve constructed a real phenomenon, line forming, out of a social consensus. It doesn’t really matter whether you perceive it as an arbitrary convention or an objective truth, so long as you play along with the game. Social reality, on the other hand, is when your brain filters out anything that would be socially irrelevant or inconvenient to notice before it even reaches conscious awareness, like how most people filter out the details of how a bicycle works. I’m not sure if other people use these terms the same way I do, but it seems like these are both common and very different phenomena, so it would be nice to have distinct terms for them.
Why call it “social reality”? If you lived alone on an island, you could be just as bad at drawing bikes.
If you lived without having a bike, sure. I don’t think you could get away with that level of ignorance if you had to build or repair a bike yourself.
It’s an example, but I don’t think it’s inclusive.
For example, in highly contrarian circles, social reality may even be anti-conformity (which is maybe a kind of conformity, but if someone just hears social reality described as “conformity” that won’t be an obvious interpretation)
Social reality also includes things like how status-is-assigned and what behaviors are rewarded and punished, and other properties.
Conformity doesn’t quite cover the nuances here. (I don’t think the answers so far cover the breadth of what I meant. I think if Benquo expanded his entry it’ll end up explaining some of the nuts and bolts here)
I think this link is currently the best explanation that exists online:
I don’t see this question as very well defined. Words mean whatever we want them to mean. What do you want it to mean in this context?
Nod.
But in this case, basically I mean “the people around here who use the term social reality, what do you mean by it?” (Ideally, as comprehensively as possible, such that this is a reasonably good post for people to read to get a handle on it).
(I think one good use of questions it the general class of “people who use this jargon term, please write a nice explanation of it. Obviously only people familiar with the jargon term can do so)
I wonder if Chris_Leong was trying to deliver a meta-joke-based answer by pointing out that any consensus definition of “social reality” is itself a part of social reality.
More examples from RAZ: applause lights, and discussion of 1984.
A dictionary definition might be something like:
The map of the world which is drawn by our social-cultural universe, and its relationship to the standard protocols of societal interaction & cooperation. Implicit beliefs found in our norms & behavior toward others, as expressed through: coercive norms, rituals, rank, class, social status, authority, law, and other human coordination constructs.
One aspect of social reality is the offsets between our shared map and the territory. In many old African regional faiths, it was thought to be necessary for commoners to be kept away from upper class shamans and wizards. Otherwise their influence might damage their powers, or cause them to lose emotional control and damage the community. The idea that these people have magic powers and must be protected, along with the social norms and practices that arise from that is an example of social reality. It has very little to do with any real magic powers, but clearly there was some in-territory sequence of events that got everyone to decide to interpret the world this way.
This foreign, ancient example is useful because you have no emotional attachment to it, so you’re in a position to evaluate it objectively. Ask yourself how people might react to a lower class person that insisted on touching the magic king. What about someone who refused to recant their belief that the magic king had no influence on the weather? As you imagine the reactions, consider what things in your own social sphere or society would be met with similar feelings from others. Then ask yourself if they’re a human universal, or something that could theoretically be different if people felt differently. Once you’ve identified a handful of these you’re on your way to examining social reality as a phenomena. I suggest you keep most of these thoughts to yourself, for your own protection.
Another aspect is the invisible models and expectations of others. In the Jargon File example above, the guard has been told that his role is to prevent unauthorized items from entering the building. This role is very much real, and its “procedures” are as rote and trickable as any computer program. As Morpheus tells us:
A great deal of the phone phreaking tradition is about running a wedge into the places where social reality and the territory don’t meet, and performing wild stunts based on them. For example, did you know that one of the most common attacks against locks is to just order a second lock because they’re keyed-alike?
The big difference of course is that when you trick a computer program, it doesn’t notice. Humans are very likely to notice you tricking them if you violate their expectations. So the art of social engineering is a very different realm in that respect, the technical complexity is lower but the solution space is narrowed by what people won’t perceive as too strange. It engages your EQ, at least as much as it engages your IQ.
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Some book recommendations for a better sense:
Ghost In The Wires by Kevin Mitnick
The Challenger Launch Decision by Diane Vaughan
The Righteous Mind by Jonathon Haidt
Social groups tend to coordinate around a shared set of beliefs. “Social reality” refers to either the world implied by this belief-set or the social process that produces it.
It can be confusing to talk about social reality because people engaging in this sort of coordination often find it much easier to treat social reality as reality than to track their own perspective and the shared perspective separately.
Here’s how I use the terms “(natural) reality” and “social reality”:
Natural reality is “that which doesn’t go away if you stop believing in it” (P. K. Dick).
Social reality is that which doesn’t go away when you alone stop believing in it, but it does go away proportionally to how many people stop believing in it (weighted, it seems, by something like “social belief negotiating power”, or what pick-up artists would call “the strength of one’s frame”, I think). Example: “Bob is the highest-status person in this social group.”
Why call it “reality”?
Eliezer said about reality in general: “I need different names for the thingies that determine my predictions and the thingy that determines my experimental results. I call the former thingies ‘belief’, and the latter thingy ‘reality’” (from The Simple Truth).
From your individual point of view, social reality behaves exactly like that—it is given; you are a price-taker; you can run experiments against it and it will determine the results.
The scope of what falls under natural reality, i.e. what doesn’t go away when person X stops believing in it, is the same for every X; it is objective.
The funny thing about social reality is that it’s not objective in this sense. For someone with a very strong frame, the scope of social reality (i.e. what doesn’t go away when they stop believing in it, or more interestingly put, what doesn’t materialize as soon as they start believing in it) is very small, and vice versa. (“Funny” mostly for the strong-frame people, because their life seems almost magically easier from the POV of someone who happens to have a combination of a much weaker frame and very low status. I assume it’s not very funny for the latter person.)
Things can also fall in and out of the scope of your social reality (e.g. when you move to go to college, you can reinvent your social role, but then it slowly ossifies around you and becomes inescapable reality).
(I wanted to link Valentine Smith’s post on the Intelligent Social Web as a more in-depth explanation, but I noticed you commented on it, so I could’ve saved myself the trouble and just said “yeah, that”. Well, nevermind.)
I haven’t yet fully checked whether I endorse the description there but it seemed good to link to Ruby’s post:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/xqAnKW46FqzPLnGmH/causal-reality-vs-social-reality
Do you ever get the feeling that you’re unsure what was true until the moment you said it? Like on the inside you’re this highly contextual malleable thing but when you act it resolves and then you become consistent with something for a time?
Do you ever feel like you’re writing checks you can’t quite cash, running ahead, saying as true what you plan to *make* true, what becomes true in the saying it. Do you ever experience imposter syndrome?
Do you ever feel like we’re all playing a game of pretend and nobody can quite step out of character?