No, it was the suggestion that women should be given to men they don’t want to marry combined with a bad posting history which caused me to ban.
That sounds to me like a system II analysis of the situation.
Not examine one’s own motives and not including links is a sign of a kind of intellectual laziness, that alone wouldn’t be ground for banning but is in combination with offensive content it has a different quality than carefully crafted posts that communicate offensive content.
If I’m putting it in words, especially for LW, system 2 is going to get involving. However, a proposition of a system of forcing women into sex is something that I take personally because I imagine myself (not in great detail) being mistreated that way. I’m against a military draft, but I don’t react the same way to a proposal of a draft for men. Actually, I don’t react the same way to a proposal of a military draft for women. This is a personal issue, and trust me, my system one was involved.
(Sidetrack: I liked The Rainbow Cadenza, a science fiction novel in which women are drafted for sex, as a rather clear parallel-to-create-outrage to the military draft for men.)
It wasn’t just not examining one’s own motives in general, it was pushing opposed people to think the worst of their own motives while not looking at one’s own.
I don’t actually see him as either saying or suggesting that women should be forced into sex. He seems to be saying that women (and all people) should be forced to not have sex outside of marriage, which would then lead to women settling for lower status partners.
Also, in this case the problem with your system 1 is that it affects your conclusions about what he means. He didn’t, after all, make the bigoted proposal you decry. Rather, you interpret him as almost making it. It’s a lot easier for bias to get in the way when banning someone for what they’re almost-saying than when banning someone for what they’re actually saying.
Now, at first blush the usual Manospherean reason suggests itself: This proposal unsettles women because they find most men sexually repulsive, even though in monogamous societies where most women have to marry ordinary men and have sexual relationships with their allegedly yucky husbands, they find the experience tolerable and they make a go of it.
It’s possible that what he meant was that women shouldn’t be allowed to have sex with the men they choose. Instead, they can either be celibate or learn to tolerate sex with men they don’t choose. Is this how you interpret what aa said?
He wanted to ban sex outside of marriage. Describing that as “can’t have sex with the men you choose” is misleading, because it’s such a noncentral example of that. It’s literally true (if you choose someone outside of marriage, you’re not allowed to have sex with him) but the same could be said for banning sex on public busses (if you choose someone on a public bus, you’re not allowed to have sex with him).
Furthermore, I find it hard to accept that “ban sex outside of marriage” is such a bigoted policy that anyone who espouses it should not be allowed here. (And it’s not even restricted to women—he just thinks the policy would affect women differently than men.)
That sounds to me like a system II analysis of the situation.
Not examine one’s own motives and not including links is a sign of a kind of intellectual laziness, that alone wouldn’t be ground for banning but is in combination with offensive content it has a different quality than carefully crafted posts that communicate offensive content.
If I’m putting it in words, especially for LW, system 2 is going to get involving. However, a proposition of a system of forcing women into sex is something that I take personally because I imagine myself (not in great detail) being mistreated that way. I’m against a military draft, but I don’t react the same way to a proposal of a draft for men. Actually, I don’t react the same way to a proposal of a military draft for women. This is a personal issue, and trust me, my system one was involved.
(Sidetrack: I liked The Rainbow Cadenza, a science fiction novel in which women are drafted for sex, as a rather clear parallel-to-create-outrage to the military draft for men.)
It wasn’t just not examining one’s own motives in general, it was pushing opposed people to think the worst of their own motives while not looking at one’s own.
I don’t actually see him as either saying or suggesting that women should be forced into sex. He seems to be saying that women (and all people) should be forced to not have sex outside of marriage, which would then lead to women settling for lower status partners.
Also, in this case the problem with your system 1 is that it affects your conclusions about what he means. He didn’t, after all, make the bigoted proposal you decry. Rather, you interpret him as almost making it. It’s a lot easier for bias to get in the way when banning someone for what they’re almost-saying than when banning someone for what they’re actually saying.
It’s possible that what he meant was that women shouldn’t be allowed to have sex with the men they choose. Instead, they can either be celibate or learn to tolerate sex with men they don’t choose. Is this how you interpret what aa said?
He wanted to ban sex outside of marriage. Describing that as “can’t have sex with the men you choose” is misleading, because it’s such a noncentral example of that. It’s literally true (if you choose someone outside of marriage, you’re not allowed to have sex with him) but the same could be said for banning sex on public busses (if you choose someone on a public bus, you’re not allowed to have sex with him).
Furthermore, I find it hard to accept that “ban sex outside of marriage” is such a bigoted policy that anyone who espouses it should not be allowed here. (And it’s not even restricted to women—he just thinks the policy would affect women differently than men.)