Unless it is deliberately or accidentally altered, an emulation will possess all of the evolved traits of human brains. These include powerful mechanisms to prevent an altruistic absurdity such as donating one’s labor to an employer. (Pure altruism—an act that benefits another at the expense of one’s genetic interests—is strongly selected against.) There are some varieties of altruism that survive: kin selection (e.g., rescuing a drowning nephew), status display (making a large donation to a hospital), and reciprocal aid (helping a neighbor in hopes they’ll help you when aid is needed), but pure altruism (suicide bombing is a hideous example) is quite rare and self-limiting. That would be true even within an artificial Darwinian environment.
Therefore, we have a limiting factor on what to expect in a world with brain emulations. Also, I must note, we have a limiting factor on TedHowardNZ’s description of evolution above. Evo does not often climb down from a fitness peak (thus we are stuck with a blind spot in our eyes), and certainly not when the behaviors entailed reduce fitness. Only a changing environment can change the calculus of fitness in ways that allow prosocial behaviors to flourish w/o a net cost to fitness. But even a radically changed environment could not force pure altruism to exist in a Darwinian system.
These include powerful mechanisms to prevent an altruistic absurdity such as donating one’s labor to an employer.
Note that the employer in question might well be your own upload clan, which makes this near-analogous to kin selection. Even if employee templates are traded between employers, this trait would be exceptionally valuable in an employee, and so would be strongly selected for. General altruism might be rare, but this specific variant would probably enjoy a high fitness advantage.
Language and conceptual systems are so complex, that communication (as in the replication of a concept from one mind to another) is often extremely difficult.
The idea of altruism is one such thing.
Like most terms in most languages, it has a large (potentially infinite) set of possible meanings, depending on context.
If one takes the term altruism at the simplest level, it can mean simply having regard for others in choices of action one makes. In this sense, it is clear to me that it is actually in the long term self interest of everyone to have everyone having some regard for the interests of others in all choices of action.
It is clear that having regard only for short term interest of self leads to highly unstable and destructive outcomes in the long term. Simple observation of any group of primates will show highly evolved cooperative behaviours (reciprocal altruism).
And I agree, that evolution is always about optimisation within some set of parameters. We are the first species that has had choice at all levels of the optimisation parameters that evolution gets to work with. And actually has the option of stepping entirely outside of the system of differential survival of individuals.
To date, few people have consciously exercised such choice outside of very restricted and socially accepted contexts.
That seems to be exponentially changing.
Pure altruism to me means a regard for the welfare of others which is functionally equal to the regard one has for one’s own welfare. I distinguish this from exclusive altruism (a regard for the welfare of others to the exclusion of self interest) - which is, obviously, a form of evolutionary, logical, and mathematical suicide in large populations (and even this trait can exist at certain frequencies within populations in circumstances of small kin groups living in situations that are so dangerous that some members of the group must sacrifice themselves periodically or the entire group will perish—so is a form of radical kin selection—and having evolved there, the strategy can remain within much larger populations for extended periods without being entirely eliminated).
There is no doubt that we live in an environment that is changing in many different dimensions. In some of those dimensions the changes are linear, and in many others the changes are exponential, and in some the systemic behaviour is so complex that it is essentially chaotic (in the mathematical sense, where very tiny changes in system parameters {within measurement uncertainty levels} produce orders of magnitude variations in some system state values).
There are many possible choices of state calculus.
It seems clear to me that high level cooperation gives the greatest possible probability of system wide and individual security and freedom. And in the evolutionary sense, cooperation requires attendant strategies to prevent invasion by short term “cheating”.
Given the technical and social and “spiritual” possibilities available to us today, it is entirely reasonable to classify the entire market based economic structure as one enormous set of self reinforcing cheating strategies. And prior to the development of technologies that enabled the possibility of full automation of any process that was not the case, and now that we can fully automate processes it most certainly is the case.
So it is a very complex set of systems, and the fundamental principles underlying those systems are not all that complex, and they are very different from what accepted social and cultural dogma would have most of us believe.
Unless it is deliberately or accidentally altered, an emulation will possess all of the evolved traits of human brains. These include powerful mechanisms to prevent an altruistic absurdity such as donating one’s labor to an employer. (Pure altruism—an act that benefits another at the expense of one’s genetic interests—is strongly selected against.) There are some varieties of altruism that survive: kin selection (e.g., rescuing a drowning nephew), status display (making a large donation to a hospital), and reciprocal aid (helping a neighbor in hopes they’ll help you when aid is needed), but pure altruism (suicide bombing is a hideous example) is quite rare and self-limiting. That would be true even within an artificial Darwinian environment. Therefore, we have a limiting factor on what to expect in a world with brain emulations. Also, I must note, we have a limiting factor on TedHowardNZ’s description of evolution above. Evo does not often climb down from a fitness peak (thus we are stuck with a blind spot in our eyes), and certainly not when the behaviors entailed reduce fitness. Only a changing environment can change the calculus of fitness in ways that allow prosocial behaviors to flourish w/o a net cost to fitness. But even a radically changed environment could not force pure altruism to exist in a Darwinian system.
Note that the employer in question might well be your own upload clan, which makes this near-analogous to kin selection. Even if employee templates are traded between employers, this trait would be exceptionally valuable in an employee, and so would be strongly selected for. General altruism might be rare, but this specific variant would probably enjoy a high fitness advantage.
Language and conceptual systems are so complex, that communication (as in the replication of a concept from one mind to another) is often extremely difficult. The idea of altruism is one such thing. Like most terms in most languages, it has a large (potentially infinite) set of possible meanings, depending on context.
If one takes the term altruism at the simplest level, it can mean simply having regard for others in choices of action one makes. In this sense, it is clear to me that it is actually in the long term self interest of everyone to have everyone having some regard for the interests of others in all choices of action. It is clear that having regard only for short term interest of self leads to highly unstable and destructive outcomes in the long term. Simple observation of any group of primates will show highly evolved cooperative behaviours (reciprocal altruism).
And I agree, that evolution is always about optimisation within some set of parameters. We are the first species that has had choice at all levels of the optimisation parameters that evolution gets to work with. And actually has the option of stepping entirely outside of the system of differential survival of individuals.
To date, few people have consciously exercised such choice outside of very restricted and socially accepted contexts. That seems to be exponentially changing.
Pure altruism to me means a regard for the welfare of others which is functionally equal to the regard one has for one’s own welfare. I distinguish this from exclusive altruism (a regard for the welfare of others to the exclusion of self interest) - which is, obviously, a form of evolutionary, logical, and mathematical suicide in large populations (and even this trait can exist at certain frequencies within populations in circumstances of small kin groups living in situations that are so dangerous that some members of the group must sacrifice themselves periodically or the entire group will perish—so is a form of radical kin selection—and having evolved there, the strategy can remain within much larger populations for extended periods without being entirely eliminated).
There is no doubt that we live in an environment that is changing in many different dimensions. In some of those dimensions the changes are linear, and in many others the changes are exponential, and in some the systemic behaviour is so complex that it is essentially chaotic (in the mathematical sense, where very tiny changes in system parameters {within measurement uncertainty levels} produce orders of magnitude variations in some system state values).
There are many possible choices of state calculus. It seems clear to me that high level cooperation gives the greatest possible probability of system wide and individual security and freedom. And in the evolutionary sense, cooperation requires attendant strategies to prevent invasion by short term “cheating”.
Given the technical and social and “spiritual” possibilities available to us today, it is entirely reasonable to classify the entire market based economic structure as one enormous set of self reinforcing cheating strategies. And prior to the development of technologies that enabled the possibility of full automation of any process that was not the case, and now that we can fully automate processes it most certainly is the case.
So it is a very complex set of systems, and the fundamental principles underlying those systems are not all that complex, and they are very different from what accepted social and cultural dogma would have most of us believe.