I tried that. Now I’m a whole different combination proteins and chemicals. And this new me doesn’t understand how the point you are trying to illustrate relates to the grandparent any better than the old me.
Is it just tangential expression of your own position on broadly the same subject in loose agreement with Eliezer or is there an additional point you are trying to make?
I tried that. Now I’m a whole different combination proteins and chemicals. And this new me doesn’t understand how the point you are trying to illustrate relates to the grandparent any better than the old me.
You can’t simply replace unfolded proteins, since their relative position and concentration (and modification, and current status in several different signalling pathways) determines what happens to the signals that go through that synapse
I’m saying such a scrambling happens all the time anyways, and that preserving the exact relative position, concentration, folding status etcetera may not be all that important to the cognitive system at large, at least we don’t fret about it when shaking our heads. Does that help?
Edit to respond to your edit:
Is it just tangential expression of your own position on broadly the same subject in loose agreement with Eliezer or is there an additional point you are trying to make?
I’d say it’s an important point (naturally). If there were only one-to-one mappings, that would certainly be sufficient to establish that information-theoretically the original state information isn’t lost. But that’s a red herring, since we don’t even need that strong a claim to argue for the theoretical viability of cryonics:
When voluntarily shaking your head (you madman!) you were content with a much, much more forgiving standard. That’s the one that should be used for such discussions.
I’m saying such a scrambling happens all the time anyways, and that preserving the exact relative position, concentration, folding status etcetera may not be all that important to the cognitive system at large, at least we don’t fret about it when shaking our heads.
That seems like a reasonable and important point.
When voluntarily shaking your head (you madman!) you were content with a much, much more forgiving standard.
I’d probably go as far as to use a standard that accepted even a severe concussion or three’s worth of damage and information loss. Especially given that the ongoing functional impairment (albeit not the identity related loss) can presumably be trivially repaired.
I tried that. Now I’m a whole different combination proteins and chemicals. And this new me doesn’t understand how the point you are trying to illustrate relates to the grandparent any better than the old me.
Is it just tangential expression of your own position on broadly the same subject in loose agreement with Eliezer or is there an additional point you are trying to make?
:-D
Take for example:
I’m saying such a scrambling happens all the time anyways, and that preserving the exact relative position, concentration, folding status etcetera may not be all that important to the cognitive system at large, at least we don’t fret about it when shaking our heads. Does that help?
Edit to respond to your edit:
I’d say it’s an important point (naturally). If there were only one-to-one mappings, that would certainly be sufficient to establish that information-theoretically the original state information isn’t lost. But that’s a red herring, since we don’t even need that strong a claim to argue for the theoretical viability of cryonics:
When voluntarily shaking your head (you madman!) you were content with a much, much more forgiving standard. That’s the one that should be used for such discussions.
That seems like a reasonable and important point.
I’d probably go as far as to use a standard that accepted even a severe concussion or three’s worth of damage and information loss. Especially given that the ongoing functional impairment (albeit not the identity related loss) can presumably be trivially repaired.