Even if the word “rape” isn’t being used, it seems to me—and this may be a failure of imagination—that it nonetheless simulates rape, or at least something close to it.
Yes, it simulates something close to it, but I think the two-step distinction is enough that avoiding the word “rape” and its connotations is very appropriate. The “degrading and violent” taps into certain emotions, but lacks certain key other emotions and characteristics that make rape so bad and hurtful. To name some, the helplessness feeling is most likely not present (since it’s consensual, as stated), and the whole existential crisis that is triggered by the emotional cascade and status markers and mental model updates that all happen at the same time during or in the aftermath. The trauma oft associated with “rape” seems to come mostly from those missing elements, so I wouldn’t include this in my carving.
(...) people might be brainwashed by the patriarchy to go along with something their partner wants, but not to seek it out secretly.
You sure about that?
I’m actually thinking that the reverse is more likely true: People can (and probably are) be brainwashed by culture/patriarchy to secretly seek out something.
I see no reason why they couldn’t, and I feel like I could draw a graph of at least one plausible way it could happen if I put some brain time into it.
Yes, it simulates something close to it, but I think the two-step distinction is enough that avoiding the word “rape” and its connotations is very appropriate. The “degrading and violent” taps into certain emotions, but lacks certain key other emotions and characteristics that make rape so bad and hurtful. To name some, the helplessness feeling is most likely not present (since it’s consensual, as stated), and the whole existential crisis that is triggered by the emotional cascade and status markers and mental model updates that all happen at the same time during or in the aftermath. The trauma oft associated with “rape” seems to come mostly from those missing elements, so I wouldn’t include this in my carving.
Obviously, there is a distinction between rape and BSDM play that simulates rape. Still, the claim that all penetrative sex is either rape or an attempt to capture certain emotional elements of rape seems very close to the statement that all penetrative sex is actual rape.
Still, the claim that all penetrative sex is either rape or an attempt to capture certain emotional elements of rape seems very close to the statement that all penetrative sex is actual rape.
Oh wow… I’ve failed my Psychometric Tracery. I didn’t think that was the actual claim being discussed. I find it to be a very silly claim; this makes me all the more curious to hear their rationale for it.
This discussion has stretched on pretty long … and I can hardly object to someone pointing out that a specific claim was wrong just because it doesn’t refute my original point.
For reference, this particular argument started with this comment.
Yes, it simulates something close to it, but I think the two-step distinction is enough that avoiding the word “rape” and its connotations is very appropriate. The “degrading and violent” taps into certain emotions, but lacks certain key other emotions and characteristics that make rape so bad and hurtful. To name some, the helplessness feeling is most likely not present (since it’s consensual, as stated), and the whole existential crisis that is triggered by the emotional cascade and status markers and mental model updates that all happen at the same time during or in the aftermath. The trauma oft associated with “rape” seems to come mostly from those missing elements, so I wouldn’t include this in my carving.
I’m actually thinking that the reverse is more likely true: People can (and probably are) be brainwashed by culture/patriarchy to secretly seek out something.
I see no reason why they couldn’t, and I feel like I could draw a graph of at least one plausible way it could happen if I put some brain time into it.
Obviously, there is a distinction between rape and BSDM play that simulates rape. Still, the claim that all penetrative sex is either rape or an attempt to capture certain emotional elements of rape seems very close to the statement that all penetrative sex is actual rape.
Oh wow… I’ve failed my Psychometric Tracery. I didn’t think that was the actual claim being discussed. I find it to be a very silly claim; this makes me all the more curious to hear their rationale for it.
This discussion has stretched on pretty long … and I can hardly object to someone pointing out that a specific claim was wrong just because it doesn’t refute my original point.
For reference, this particular argument started with this comment.