When someone is born who is a net-negative contributor to the world… it was their parents’ doing. They carry their parents’ genes; it’s a very appropriate punishment for their parents’ misdeed to let the child die. It comes very close to being a direct reversal of the original mistake, in fact.
It does sometimes happen that someone otherwise capable of being productive is accidentally stripped of their resources, and ideally they should get some help to get back on their feet—this seems like an ideal use case for a loan. In general, someone will have to make the call that they’re worth saving, and I do grant that some people in dire straits are worth saving.
In your example of the old man, it appears to me that he was cheated earlier in life; you postulate that he actually produced a very great benefit to others, and it seems to me that he deserves to have a very great amount of money to show for it. Without government support, he might still have friends to fall back on… if not, then this is clearly a case where welfare does some good, but it doesn’t come close to reversing the injustice here. I see the benefit of welfare in this case as mostly accidental, and would prefer that something more targeted be done to repay him, while recognizing his actual contribution.
I just took a brief look at current U.S. welfare law, and it looks like there are some provisions in there to exclude the most obvious cases of people who don’t deserve support (able-bodied people who aren’t even trying to be productive).
it’s a very appropriate punishment for their parents’ misdeed to let the child die
Doesn’t it strike you that that’s not very fair to the child?
For that matter, it’s not remotely fair to the parents either; productivity is not solely determined by parents’ genes plus upbringing, still less by what the parents can know about their genes plus upbringing. Consider, for instance, the following scenarios. In all of them, by “net positive contribution” I mean “net positive economic contribution”, which I’m pretty sure is what you have in mind by that phrase.
Two intelligent and hardworking people have a child. The child loses the genetic lottery and ends up much less intelligent than average, or suffers from some condition that greatly reduces her capacity for work. (Perhaps both parents had a very harmful recessive gene, but didn’t know it.) She is not able to make a “net positive contribution” to the world.
Two highly productive people have a child. Between the child’s conception and adulthood, society changes (e.g., because of technological innovation) in such a way that the sort of work that made the parents highly productive is no longer viable; maybe machines can do it so much better that no one will employ humans to do it. It turns out that the parents were decidedly sub-average in other ways, and the child is too. He is not able to make a “net positive contribution” to the world.
Would you say that these children deserve to die because of their parents’ misdeeds in having them? This seems to me an absolutely untenable position; it requires you to hold
that having an economically unproductive child is a crime deserving terrible punishment
that this applies even if you had no good reason to think your child would be economically unproductive
that the fact that this punishment involves the death penalty for the child is not a problem
all of which seem absurd.
A world run the way you seem to prefer would not be one I would want to live in.
When someone is born who is a net-negative contributor to the world… it was their parents’ doing. They carry their parents’ genes; it’s a very appropriate punishment for their parents’ misdeed to let the child die. It comes very close to being a direct reversal of the original mistake, in fact.
It does sometimes happen that someone otherwise capable of being productive is accidentally stripped of their resources, and ideally they should get some help to get back on their feet—this seems like an ideal use case for a loan. In general, someone will have to make the call that they’re worth saving, and I do grant that some people in dire straits are worth saving.
In your example of the old man, it appears to me that he was cheated earlier in life; you postulate that he actually produced a very great benefit to others, and it seems to me that he deserves to have a very great amount of money to show for it. Without government support, he might still have friends to fall back on… if not, then this is clearly a case where welfare does some good, but it doesn’t come close to reversing the injustice here. I see the benefit of welfare in this case as mostly accidental, and would prefer that something more targeted be done to repay him, while recognizing his actual contribution.
I just took a brief look at current U.S. welfare law, and it looks like there are some provisions in there to exclude the most obvious cases of people who don’t deserve support (able-bodied people who aren’t even trying to be productive).
Doesn’t it strike you that that’s not very fair to the child?
For that matter, it’s not remotely fair to the parents either; productivity is not solely determined by parents’ genes plus upbringing, still less by what the parents can know about their genes plus upbringing. Consider, for instance, the following scenarios. In all of them, by “net positive contribution” I mean “net positive economic contribution”, which I’m pretty sure is what you have in mind by that phrase.
Two intelligent and hardworking people have a child. The child loses the genetic lottery and ends up much less intelligent than average, or suffers from some condition that greatly reduces her capacity for work. (Perhaps both parents had a very harmful recessive gene, but didn’t know it.) She is not able to make a “net positive contribution” to the world.
Two highly productive people have a child. Between the child’s conception and adulthood, society changes (e.g., because of technological innovation) in such a way that the sort of work that made the parents highly productive is no longer viable; maybe machines can do it so much better that no one will employ humans to do it. It turns out that the parents were decidedly sub-average in other ways, and the child is too. He is not able to make a “net positive contribution” to the world.
Would you say that these children deserve to die because of their parents’ misdeeds in having them? This seems to me an absolutely untenable position; it requires you to hold
that having an economically unproductive child is a crime deserving terrible punishment
that this applies even if you had no good reason to think your child would be economically unproductive
that the fact that this punishment involves the death penalty for the child is not a problem
all of which seem absurd.
A world run the way you seem to prefer would not be one I would want to live in.
How do you define this? I can name a number of people throughout history who would have used heuristics here that I vehemently disagree with...