Why ‘WB’ in “WBE” is not well-defined and why WBE is a worthwhile research paradigm, despite its nearly fatal ambiguities.
Our community (in which I include cognitive neurobiologists, AI researchers, philosophers of mind, research neurologists, behavioral and neuro-zoologists and ethologists, and anyone here) has, for some years, included theorists who present various versions of “extended mind” theories.
Without taking any stances about those theories (and I do have a unique take on those) in this post, I’ll outline some concerns about extended brain issues.
I have to compress this so it fits, but I think my concerns will be pretty self-evident. I should say that this week has been a schedule crunch for me, so I apologize if some of what I adduce in the service this post’s topic, is mentioned in one of the papers linked in the existing comments, or the moderators summary. I do read all of those links, eventually, and they are very helpful value-added resources… at least as valuable to me as what I have read thus far in Bostrom’s book.
I’ll be making a video lecture with diagrams, some additional key ideas, and a more in-depth discussion of several issues touched on in this post, for the YouTube channel I am developing on my own. (The channel will be live in a few weeks.)
(I think a video with some graphics—even line drawings on a whiteboard—might be helpful to schematically depict some physiological structures and connecting causal feed lines that I’ll mention, for readers whose pictorial imagination of some of the intracranial and extracranial “extended brain” structures I’ll discuss, doesn’t readily come to mind.)
My overarching global point is this:
There is no theory-neutral, intelligible definition of the term, ‘whole brain’.
Let me walk through this in enough detail to make the point compelling – and it is compelling, not just some technical quibble—without burying any of us in physiological minutia.
First, let us pretend that we can limit our focus to just what is in the skull – a posit which I will criticize and withdraw in a moment.
Does “whole brain” include glia: such as oligodendrocytes and astrocytes? Glia (properly: “neuroglia”) actually outnumber “standard” neurons by 3 to 1, in the brain. See this reference:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10869/
One of the more dramatic areas of continuing advance in our understanding of the functionally relevant neurobiology of the brain and CNS has, for nearly two decades now, involved neuroglia.
Article after article of impeccable science has expanded the consensus view of neuroglial function, to comprise much more than housekeeping, i.e., more than merely helping to implement aspects of the blood-brain barrier, or assisting phagocytosis after unfortunate neurons undergo apoptosis, and so on, as believed prior to about 20 years ago.
Some things now commonly known: Glia help regulate and recycle ATP and make it available to adjacent neurons and their mitochondria (as well as tracking local ATP reserve); they ballast, balance and reclaim the glutamate pool; they participate in neurosteroid signal pathways (into and out of the brain), and may help ballast local ion levels
The list is continually expanding, and includes functions relevant to learning, neuromodulation, reacting to stress and allostatic load, interacting with some inflammatory signaling pathways, and neuroplasticity.
Of course, the functions and contribution of myelin (Schwann cells) to normal, healthy neuronal behavior, are well known, as are numerous decimating diseases of myelin maintenance. Some reputable researchers think glia are not only under-emphasized, but might be crucial for unraveling some stubborn, still-unanswered questions relevant to cognition.
For example researchers are investigating mechanisms by which they may play a role as auxiliary signaling systems throughout the brain. Consider the phase-coupled “communication” of distantly separated ensembles of coherently oscillating neurons. Recall that these transiently – within each ensemble – organize into cooperative intra-ensemble oscillators, and a well-documented phenomenon commonly proposed as a way the brain achieves temporary “binding” across sensory modalities, as it constructs a unified object percept, is the simultaneous—yet widely separated across the brain—phase-locked and frequency coupled oscillations of multiple, separate, oscillating ensembles.
This (otherwise) spooky action-at-a-distance of comcommittantly oscillating distal ensembles might be undergirded by neuroglia.
In short, neuroglia (even without the more speculative roles being considered, like the very last one I mentioned) are not just “physiological” support for “real neurons” that do the “real information processing.”
Rather, neuroglia strongly appear to participate on multiple levels in learning, information processing, mood, plasticity, and other functions on what seems to be a growing list.
So, it seems to me that you have to emulate neuroglia, in WBE strategies (or else bear the burden of explaining why you are leaving them out, like you would have to bear the burden of explaining why, e.g., you decided to omit pyramidal neurons from your WBE strategy.
Next, we must consider the hypothalamic-pituitary stalk. Here we have an interesting interface between “standard neuron and neurotransmitter behavior”, and virtually every other system in the body: immune, adrenal, gonadal… digestive, hepatic.
The hypothalmic-pituitary system is not just an outgoing gateway, regulating sleep, hunger, temperature, but is part of numerous feedback loops that come back and effect neuronal function. Consider the HPA system, so studied in depression and mood disorders. Amydiala and cingulate centers (and the cortex, which promotes and demotes traffic to areas of the hypothalamus based on salience) trigger corticotropin releasing factor, which goes out eventually triggering adrenalin and noradrenalin, blood sugar changes… the whole course of alerting responses, which are picked up globally by the brain and CNS. Thalamic filters change routing priorities (the thalamus is the exchange switchyard for most sensory traffic), NE and DA levels change (therefore, so does LTP, i.e. learning, which is responsive to alerting neurotransmitter and neuromodulator levels.)
My point so far is: does “whole brain” emulation mean we emulate this very subtle and complex neurohomonal “gateway” system (to the other systems of the body?)
Lastly, just two more, because this is running long.
Muscles as regulators of brain function. It is now known that voluntary muscle activity produces BDNF, the neurosteroid that everyone had heard about, if they have heard about any of them. BDNF is produced locally in muscle tissue and can be released into general circulation. Circulating BDNF and GDNF enter the brain (which also makes its own BDNF too), and docks with (intracranial) neurons’ nuclear receptors, changing gene expression, ultimately regulating long term plasticity, synaptic remodeling, and general neuronal health.
BDNF is hugely important as a neuromodulator and neurosteroid. The final common pathway of virtually all antidepressant effectiveness on mood, is predomantly through BDNF.
And MOOD is very, very cognitive. It is not “just” background emotion. It effects memory, judgement, sensory filtering and salience-assignment, and attentional target selection. Mood, is a potent kind of global neuromodulator. (In fact, it is almost arbitrary, whether one wants to consider mood disorders to be cognitive disorders, or affective disorders.)
It effects information processing, both thermodynamic (sub-semantic) and “semantically coupled” (useful to us—experienced in the first person as contents of our thoughts, or to a system programmer who ignores thermodynamic but carefully choreographs the flow of) information that carries his software’s semantic content (that which bears intentional or representational content, as in a mathematical model of a jet turbine, or whatever it may be his program is designed to do. )
So, if you want to model the brains information processing,do you model muscle production of BDNF too? If not, your model is incomplete, even if you give the brain a virtual body. You have to model that virtual body’s feedback loops into the CNS.
This is only scratching the surface. The more I have studied physiology, the more I have learned about what an intricately coupled system the body is, CNS included. I could add some even more surprising results I have seen recently. I have to stop now, and continue in next message (about why, despite this, it is worth considering anyway.) But my point about “Whole Brain” being not well- defined, in that there is no theory neutral place to draw the boundary, without making arbitrary judgments about what kind of information can be neglected and what must be considered crucial, should be clear from these examples.
why we should do it anyway...Continued in a future message…
I feel like whole brain emulation is often considered implausible, but I don’t know of many good criticisms of its plausibility. Do you?
Why ‘WB’ in “WBE” is not well-defined and why WBE is a worthwhile research paradigm, despite its nearly fatal ambiguities.
Our community (in which I include cognitive neurobiologists, AI researchers, philosophers of mind, research neurologists, behavioral and neuro-zoologists and ethologists, and anyone here) has, for some years, included theorists who present various versions of “extended mind” theories.
Without taking any stances about those theories (and I do have a unique take on those) in this post, I’ll outline some concerns about extended brain issues.
I have to compress this so it fits, but I think my concerns will be pretty self-evident. I should say that this week has been a schedule crunch for me, so I apologize if some of what I adduce in the service this post’s topic, is mentioned in one of the papers linked in the existing comments, or the moderators summary. I do read all of those links, eventually, and they are very helpful value-added resources… at least as valuable to me as what I have read thus far in Bostrom’s book.
I’ll be making a video lecture with diagrams, some additional key ideas, and a more in-depth discussion of several issues touched on in this post, for the YouTube channel I am developing on my own. (The channel will be live in a few weeks.)
(I think a video with some graphics—even line drawings on a whiteboard—might be helpful to schematically depict some physiological structures and connecting causal feed lines that I’ll mention, for readers whose pictorial imagination of some of the intracranial and extracranial “extended brain” structures I’ll discuss, doesn’t readily come to mind.)
My overarching global point is this: There is no theory-neutral, intelligible definition of the term, ‘whole brain’.
Let me walk through this in enough detail to make the point compelling – and it is compelling, not just some technical quibble—without burying any of us in physiological minutia.
First, let us pretend that we can limit our focus to just what is in the skull – a posit which I will criticize and withdraw in a moment.
Does “whole brain” include glia: such as oligodendrocytes and astrocytes? Glia (properly: “neuroglia”) actually outnumber “standard” neurons by 3 to 1, in the brain. See this reference: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10869/
One of the more dramatic areas of continuing advance in our understanding of the functionally relevant neurobiology of the brain and CNS has, for nearly two decades now, involved neuroglia.
Article after article of impeccable science has expanded the consensus view of neuroglial function, to comprise much more than housekeeping, i.e., more than merely helping to implement aspects of the blood-brain barrier, or assisting phagocytosis after unfortunate neurons undergo apoptosis, and so on, as believed prior to about 20 years ago.
Some things now commonly known: Glia help regulate and recycle ATP and make it available to adjacent neurons and their mitochondria (as well as tracking local ATP reserve); they ballast, balance and reclaim the glutamate pool; they participate in neurosteroid signal pathways (into and out of the brain), and may help ballast local ion levels
The list is continually expanding, and includes functions relevant to learning, neuromodulation, reacting to stress and allostatic load, interacting with some inflammatory signaling pathways, and neuroplasticity.
Of course, the functions and contribution of myelin (Schwann cells) to normal, healthy neuronal behavior, are well known, as are numerous decimating diseases of myelin maintenance. Some reputable researchers think glia are not only under-emphasized, but might be crucial for unraveling some stubborn, still-unanswered questions relevant to cognition.
For example researchers are investigating mechanisms by which they may play a role as auxiliary signaling systems throughout the brain. Consider the phase-coupled “communication” of distantly separated ensembles of coherently oscillating neurons. Recall that these transiently – within each ensemble – organize into cooperative intra-ensemble oscillators, and a well-documented phenomenon commonly proposed as a way the brain achieves temporary “binding” across sensory modalities, as it constructs a unified object percept, is the simultaneous—yet widely separated across the brain—phase-locked and frequency coupled oscillations of multiple, separate, oscillating ensembles.
This (otherwise) spooky action-at-a-distance of comcommittantly oscillating distal ensembles might be undergirded by neuroglia.
In short, neuroglia (even without the more speculative roles being considered, like the very last one I mentioned) are not just “physiological” support for “real neurons” that do the “real information processing.” Rather, neuroglia strongly appear to participate on multiple levels in learning, information processing, mood, plasticity, and other functions on what seems to be a growing list.
So, it seems to me that you have to emulate neuroglia, in WBE strategies (or else bear the burden of explaining why you are leaving them out, like you would have to bear the burden of explaining why, e.g., you decided to omit pyramidal neurons from your WBE strategy.
Next, we must consider the hypothalamic-pituitary stalk. Here we have an interesting interface between “standard neuron and neurotransmitter behavior”, and virtually every other system in the body: immune, adrenal, gonadal… digestive, hepatic.
The hypothalmic-pituitary system is not just an outgoing gateway, regulating sleep, hunger, temperature, but is part of numerous feedback loops that come back and effect neuronal function. Consider the HPA system, so studied in depression and mood disorders. Amydiala and cingulate centers (and the cortex, which promotes and demotes traffic to areas of the hypothalamus based on salience) trigger corticotropin releasing factor, which goes out eventually triggering adrenalin and noradrenalin, blood sugar changes… the whole course of alerting responses, which are picked up globally by the brain and CNS. Thalamic filters change routing priorities (the thalamus is the exchange switchyard for most sensory traffic), NE and DA levels change (therefore, so does LTP, i.e. learning, which is responsive to alerting neurotransmitter and neuromodulator levels.)
My point so far is: does “whole brain” emulation mean we emulate this very subtle and complex neurohomonal “gateway” system (to the other systems of the body?)
Lastly, just two more, because this is running long.
Muscles as regulators of brain function. It is now known that voluntary muscle activity produces BDNF, the neurosteroid that everyone had heard about, if they have heard about any of them. BDNF is produced locally in muscle tissue and can be released into general circulation. Circulating BDNF and GDNF enter the brain (which also makes its own BDNF too), and docks with (intracranial) neurons’ nuclear receptors, changing gene expression, ultimately regulating long term plasticity, synaptic remodeling, and general neuronal health.
BDNF is hugely important as a neuromodulator and neurosteroid. The final common pathway of virtually all antidepressant effectiveness on mood, is predomantly through BDNF.
And MOOD is very, very cognitive. It is not “just” background emotion. It effects memory, judgement, sensory filtering and salience-assignment, and attentional target selection. Mood, is a potent kind of global neuromodulator. (In fact, it is almost arbitrary, whether one wants to consider mood disorders to be cognitive disorders, or affective disorders.) It effects information processing, both thermodynamic (sub-semantic) and “semantically coupled” (useful to us—experienced in the first person as contents of our thoughts, or to a system programmer who ignores thermodynamic but carefully choreographs the flow of) information that carries his software’s semantic content (that which bears intentional or representational content, as in a mathematical model of a jet turbine, or whatever it may be his program is designed to do. )
So, if you want to model the brains information processing,do you model muscle production of BDNF too? If not, your model is incomplete, even if you give the brain a virtual body. You have to model that virtual body’s feedback loops into the CNS.
This is only scratching the surface. The more I have studied physiology, the more I have learned about what an intricately coupled system the body is, CNS included. I could add some even more surprising results I have seen recently. I have to stop now, and continue in next message (about why, despite this, it is worth considering anyway.) But my point about “Whole Brain” being not well- defined, in that there is no theory neutral place to draw the boundary, without making arbitrary judgments about what kind of information can be neglected and what must be considered crucial, should be clear from these examples. why we should do it anyway...Continued in a future message…