Putin’s supporters are openly nationalist, racist, homophobic,
Would you mind tabooing what you mean by “racist” (and possibly also “nationalist” and “homophobic”) and why your definition is bad, there is currently a long debate in another thread on this very subject.
Yes, there is the irony that Nashi is officially an “anti-fascist” movement. To understand this, it is necessary to know the connotations these words have in the former communist countries, as propaganda shaped them for decades. Shortly: anything associated with former Soviet Union and her satellites is “socialist”, and anything associated with West is “fascist”. It’s like yin and yang for everything; e.g. collectivism is “socialist” and entrepreneurship is “fascist”, but also being ethinically Russian or at least Slavic is more central to the concept of “socialist”, and the idea of human rights (other than the right to live happily and obediently under a socialist government) is kinda “fascist”, because it goes against the power of the collective.
So a person who doesn’t think about this too deeply (you know, most of the population) can identify themselves as “anti-fascist” and mean: “I hate entrepreneurs, homosexuals; and everyone who is not ethnically Russian/Slav should go away from this country”. Having read a few articles about the Nashi, this is more or less the meaning they use.
(This is a point I would like to emphasise as often as possible—though usually I don’t, respecting the LW’s attitude to politics—that the ideas of “left” or “socialism” in former Soviet countries are so completely unlike their versions in the West. It is just a result of successful propaganda and suppressing the flow of information that makes most leftists in the West believe otherwise. If you take a typical Nazi, reduce his hate of Jews by 80%, and convert him using the chronophone to a post-Soviet culture, this is what passes as “left” here.)
Looking at the article, I don’t see what specifically you’re considering “racist”. It would help if you stated your definition. Ok, it would help even more if you didn’t through around words commonly used by SJW’s to mean “anyone I disagree with”.
and laws against LGBT people.
You mean like the laws every country had until maybe a couple decades ago?
If you take a typical Nazi, reduce his hate of Jews by 80%, and convert him using the chronophone to a post-Soviet culture, this is what passes as “left” here.
To taboo the SJW-like words, here is what I mean: worship of physical power, enthusiasm about war, emphasis on reproduction of purebloods, agression against people different from the norm.
Except that in this case the police and social workers weren’t willing to enforce the law for fear of being called “racist”. More generally, the law is only as strong as the will and ability of people to enforce it.
Would you mind tabooing what you mean by “racist” (and possibly also “nationalist” and “homophobic”) and why your definition is bad, there is currently a long debate in another thread on this very subject.
Things like the Nashi movement, and laws against LGBT people.
Yes, there is the irony that Nashi is officially an “anti-fascist” movement. To understand this, it is necessary to know the connotations these words have in the former communist countries, as propaganda shaped them for decades. Shortly: anything associated with former Soviet Union and her satellites is “socialist”, and anything associated with West is “fascist”. It’s like yin and yang for everything; e.g. collectivism is “socialist” and entrepreneurship is “fascist”, but also being ethinically Russian or at least Slavic is more central to the concept of “socialist”, and the idea of human rights (other than the right to live happily and obediently under a socialist government) is kinda “fascist”, because it goes against the power of the collective.
So a person who doesn’t think about this too deeply (you know, most of the population) can identify themselves as “anti-fascist” and mean: “I hate entrepreneurs, homosexuals; and everyone who is not ethnically Russian/Slav should go away from this country”. Having read a few articles about the Nashi, this is more or less the meaning they use.
(This is a point I would like to emphasise as often as possible—though usually I don’t, respecting the LW’s attitude to politics—that the ideas of “left” or “socialism” in former Soviet countries are so completely unlike their versions in the West. It is just a result of successful propaganda and suppressing the flow of information that makes most leftists in the West believe otherwise. If you take a typical Nazi, reduce his hate of Jews by 80%, and convert him using the chronophone to a post-Soviet culture, this is what passes as “left” here.)
Looking at the article, I don’t see what specifically you’re considering “racist”. It would help if you stated your definition. Ok, it would help even more if you didn’t through around words commonly used by SJW’s to mean “anyone I disagree with”.
You mean like the laws every country had until maybe a couple decades ago?
So are the Russian creating an overarching recreational organization and bringing all private clubs under its control?
Better.
To taboo the SJW-like words, here is what I mean: worship of physical power, enthusiasm about war, emphasis on reproduction of purebloods, agression against people different from the norm.
Yes, Nashi is impressively scary. Kudos for reading up on them.
Britain tried embracing foreigners even ones who had no interest in assimilating. This was the result.
Those are just two different ways of judging people by their ethnicity instead of by their individual actions.
My idea would be something like: Do whatever you want as long as you follow the law. When you break the law, go to jail.
Except that in this case the police and social workers weren’t willing to enforce the law for fear of being called “racist”. More generally, the law is only as strong as the will and ability of people to enforce it.