Yeah, there’s a pretty big difference between saying someone shouldn’t spend a small fortune on a speculative immortality procedure and giving up on life. Between the fact that it’s not their life and that cryonics is just freezing a corpse to most of us, don’t expect that to translate into an actual longing for death / despair over life.
Anyway, onto these cryonics dissuaders. Are we talking something like “life would be boring after (Average Life Expectancy in my Country) years, because sour grapes” or “life in a society where you have no useful skills, are completely ignorant and unsocialized, and everyone you know is dead would be distinctly unpleasant” or more of a “Seriously, life is pain bro” kind of thing?
The first is either a clever attempt to get you out of a perceived scam or a rationalization, the second is a fairly good point if debatable, and the third guy just wants weed money. None of them seem like they’ve given up on life.
someone shouldn’t spend a small fortune on a speculative immortality procedure
A very small fortune, since I had already mentioned it would be paid for with life insurance.
the fact that it’s not their life
Did a double-take here. Sorry, I phrased it poorly; we were discussing cryonics in general, with focus on practicality for everyone in the conversation; not just me.
cryonics is just freezing a corpse to most of us
… are your opinions on cryonics by any chance mostly a result of popcultural osmosis? Please don’t be offended, just a shot in the dark.
“life would be boring after (Average Life Expectancy in my Country) years, because sour grapes”
About right, although it was fairly vague.
“life in a society where you have no useful skills, are completely ignorant and unsocialized, and everyone you know is dead would be distinctly unpleasant”
… no. Do people seriously try this? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I’ve never really encountered it… There was a brief “what if everything sucks?” “why would they bring you back if everything sucks?”; that’s about as close as anyone got. (Neither of those voices is me.)
“Seriously, life is pain bro”
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to convey with this—are we talking antinatalist-style arguments.
The first is either a clever attempt to get you out of a perceived scam or a rationalization
???
None of them seem like they’ve given up on life.
One assumes that it’s somewhat difficult to debate cryonics with people who have committed suicide, which is what you seem to mean by “given up on life”.
A very small fortune, since I had already mentioned it would be paid for with life insurance.
It seems that insurance increases the expected amount of money that will be paid rather than decreasing it. The benefit of insurance is not a reduction in (expected) cost but a redistribution of money from possible futures where you are fortunate to possible futures where you are unfortunate. This is a service that you pay a premium for.
Yeah, there’s a pretty big difference between saying someone shouldn’t spend a small fortune on a speculative immortality procedure and giving up on life. Between the fact that it’s not their life and that cryonics is just freezing a corpse to most of us, don’t expect that to translate into an actual longing for death / despair over life.
Anyway, onto these cryonics dissuaders. Are we talking something like “life would be boring after (Average Life Expectancy in my Country) years, because sour grapes” or “life in a society where you have no useful skills, are completely ignorant and unsocialized, and everyone you know is dead would be distinctly unpleasant” or more of a “Seriously, life is pain bro” kind of thing?
The first is either a clever attempt to get you out of a perceived scam or a rationalization, the second is a fairly good point if debatable, and the third guy just wants weed money. None of them seem like they’ve given up on life.
A very small fortune, since I had already mentioned it would be paid for with life insurance.
Did a double-take here. Sorry, I phrased it poorly; we were discussing cryonics in general, with focus on practicality for everyone in the conversation; not just me.
… are your opinions on cryonics by any chance mostly a result of popcultural osmosis? Please don’t be offended, just a shot in the dark.
About right, although it was fairly vague.
… no. Do people seriously try this? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I’ve never really encountered it… There was a brief “what if everything sucks?” “why would they bring you back if everything sucks?”; that’s about as close as anyone got. (Neither of those voices is me.)
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to convey with this—are we talking antinatalist-style arguments.
???
One assumes that it’s somewhat difficult to debate cryonics with people who have committed suicide, which is what you seem to mean by “given up on life”.
They’ve certainly given up on getting more …
It seems that insurance increases the expected amount of money that will be paid rather than decreasing it. The benefit of insurance is not a reduction in (expected) cost but a redistribution of money from possible futures where you are fortunate to possible futures where you are unfortunate. This is a service that you pay a premium for.
Sure. But actually, I was referring to the fact that it doesn’t involve a large lump sum payment, or “fortune”.
Well, it assuaged their doubts about cost, anyhow. Cost was not the issue here.