many of us have made interesting and relevant observations about the gender we see around us,
...observations of a sort which are, in my experience, quite likely tobe extemely inaccurate. Since we’re doing anecdotal observations, I’ve observed that people’s thoughts on gender differences, when not backed up with hard data, are maybe 90% likely to be seriously off base. For whatever reason, these sorts of perceptions seem to be subject to extreme effect from all the usual biases to the extent that I don’t even trust people around here to have reasonable intuitions on the matter.
Also, I’d like to note that the post here included nigh-Yudkowskian levels of cross-linking to other material on LW. When we’re talking about “conversation norms on LW”, how is that not solid data?
Also, I’d like to note that the post here included nigh-Yudkowskian levels of cross-linking to other material on LW. When we’re talking about “conversation norms on LW”, how is that not solid data?
The evidence presented is a number of anecdotes from LW conversation. A fully analysis of LW would need to categorize different types of offending comments, discuss their frequency and what role they play in LW discussion. Even better would be to identify who does them, etc.
Although I do find it plausible that LW should enact a policy of altering present discussions of gender seems I certainly will not say the evidence presented is “overwhelming”.
I said “solid data” in this case, not “overwhelming evidence”. Alicorn was probably being a bit overly strong in phrasing; even a modest amount of evidence would go a long way.
Robin is, of course, being disingenuous here, because even that is more evidence than many of his observations carry.
...observations of a sort which are, in my experience, quite likely to be extemely inaccurate. Since we’re doing anecdotal observations, I’ve observed that people’s thoughts on gender differences, when not backed up with hard data, are maybe 90% likely to be seriously off base. For whatever reason, these sorts of perceptions seem to be subject to extreme effect from all the usual biases to the extent that I don’t even trust people around here to have reasonable intuitions on the matter.
Also, I’d like to note that the post here included nigh-Yudkowskian levels of cross-linking to other material on LW. When we’re talking about “conversation norms on LW”, how is that not solid data?
The evidence presented is a number of anecdotes from LW conversation. A fully analysis of LW would need to categorize different types of offending comments, discuss their frequency and what role they play in LW discussion. Even better would be to identify who does them, etc.
Although I do find it plausible that LW should enact a policy of altering present discussions of gender seems I certainly will not say the evidence presented is “overwhelming”.
I said “solid data” in this case, not “overwhelming evidence”. Alicorn was probably being a bit overly strong in phrasing; even a modest amount of evidence would go a long way.
Robin is, of course, being disingenuous here, because even that is more evidence than many of his observations carry.