Originally, I had a long rant I had typed out in a fury after reading some of the posts on the previously linked, “Roissy in DC” PUA blog.
My comments were originally directed towards some of the irrationalities and inadequacies present within the rhetoric of greater PUA and “Pump-&Dump” culture. But as I continued to write, I found that I wasn’t able to separate my own biases against the PUA rhetoric and convey my comments rationally.
So I figured it may be best to just sum up a few of my thoughts on the matter in the hopes that they will stimulate discussion...
It seems that PUA culture desires to coerce and/or skip the evolutionary and traditionally inspired courtship processes in order to obtain sexual favor with women without providing longterm co-commitment and benefit for them.
Many PUA-aspirants and celebrity PUAs within the sub-culture seem themselves to be very unfulfilled personally despite attempting to appear as the modern equivalents to most worthy provider and Alpha Male. The behaviors they seek to emulate and display usually come after many years [and possibly generations] of hard work in the internal building of personhood, reputation, competency and external social capital & physical/monetary capital. [Which are extremely hard to fake after a certain stage in courtship.]
Many of the examples of traditional Alpha Males that PUAs use to demonstrate their points such as Tribe Leaders, Kings, Historical Celebrities, etc. are actually examples of the previously listed concept …. Individuals who spent years obtaining their internal and external fulfillments or inherited them from lineages that spent years doing so, giving them the potential to access many mates. [I.E. Their personhood and fiefdoms were built through hardwork and dedication, not through witty social tricks and routines.
Just observationally, it would seem that the “goal” of a lot of PUAs is to become an Alpha Male via the building of self-esteem through sexual conquests. This in itself seems to be a philosophy of short-sighted seeking pleasure over long-term internal and external growth. Wouldn’t it be better to teach men who feel unfulfilled methods that are conducive to lifelong satisfaction and prosperity past the stage where their sexual libido is in full swing? [Even though I know full well that some men would be happy enough dying after some few years of wide access to many sexual partners.]
Many PUA Celebrities seem to be extremely condescending of any views, lifestyles and agendas that don’t mesh with their own. [PUA-culture infighting amongst PUA celebrities is rampant… But this may be due more than fighting over paying followers and ego more than doctrine.]
Once again, just a few points that I hope may stimulate conversation.
[EDIT]:
To be even more succinct, I suppose I am alarmed at how much the PUA sub-culture and PUA-like ideas on women, courtship, relationships and sex are spreading within the mainstream young pop-culture circuit here in the U.S.
This fear is probably a result of my deeply-held suspicion that the formula for finding a worthy and desirable mate is in building self-confidence, a stable fiefdom [home, property, financial status] and possessing traits that are desirable in the long-term…
Not treating the act of finding a mate as a game in which the perceived “WINNING OF” has no extended consequences on you or your “mate”. [Or in which you have no consideration for the effects the rules you play by in this game have on your “mate”.]
I will admit that I see a few aspects of PUA philosophy as having merit… Specifically the deconstruct of the “Alpha Male” persona and the compromises and negotiations that American caucasian [PUA culture seems to chiefly be aimed towards and molded around this cultural category] men and women engage in when courting and mating.
But the means in which these observations are implemented… It all seems to build an individual towards style without any substance.
On PUAs:
Originally, I had a long rant I had typed out in a fury after reading some of the posts on the previously linked, “Roissy in DC” PUA blog.
My comments were originally directed towards some of the irrationalities and inadequacies present within the rhetoric of greater PUA and “Pump-&Dump” culture. But as I continued to write, I found that I wasn’t able to separate my own biases against the PUA rhetoric and convey my comments rationally.
So I figured it may be best to just sum up a few of my thoughts on the matter in the hopes that they will stimulate discussion...
It seems that PUA culture desires to coerce and/or skip the evolutionary and traditionally inspired courtship processes in order to obtain sexual favor with women without providing longterm co-commitment and benefit for them.
Many PUA-aspirants and celebrity PUAs within the sub-culture seem themselves to be very unfulfilled personally despite attempting to appear as the modern equivalents to most worthy provider and Alpha Male. The behaviors they seek to emulate and display usually come after many years [and possibly generations] of hard work in the internal building of personhood, reputation, competency and external social capital & physical/monetary capital. [Which are extremely hard to fake after a certain stage in courtship.]
Many of the examples of traditional Alpha Males that PUAs use to demonstrate their points such as Tribe Leaders, Kings, Historical Celebrities, etc. are actually examples of the previously listed concept …. Individuals who spent years obtaining their internal and external fulfillments or inherited them from lineages that spent years doing so, giving them the potential to access many mates. [I.E. Their personhood and fiefdoms were built through hardwork and dedication, not through witty social tricks and routines.
Just observationally, it would seem that the “goal” of a lot of PUAs is to become an Alpha Male via the building of self-esteem through sexual conquests. This in itself seems to be a philosophy of short-sighted seeking pleasure over long-term internal and external growth. Wouldn’t it be better to teach men who feel unfulfilled methods that are conducive to lifelong satisfaction and prosperity past the stage where their sexual libido is in full swing? [Even though I know full well that some men would be happy enough dying after some few years of wide access to many sexual partners.]
Many PUA Celebrities seem to be extremely condescending of any views, lifestyles and agendas that don’t mesh with their own. [PUA-culture infighting amongst PUA celebrities is rampant… But this may be due more than fighting over paying followers and ego more than doctrine.]
Once again, just a few points that I hope may stimulate conversation.
[EDIT]:
To be even more succinct, I suppose I am alarmed at how much the PUA sub-culture and PUA-like ideas on women, courtship, relationships and sex are spreading within the mainstream young pop-culture circuit here in the U.S.
This fear is probably a result of my deeply-held suspicion that the formula for finding a worthy and desirable mate is in building self-confidence, a stable fiefdom [home, property, financial status] and possessing traits that are desirable in the long-term…
Not treating the act of finding a mate as a game in which the perceived “WINNING OF” has no extended consequences on you or your “mate”. [Or in which you have no consideration for the effects the rules you play by in this game have on your “mate”.]
I will admit that I see a few aspects of PUA philosophy as having merit… Specifically the deconstruct of the “Alpha Male” persona and the compromises and negotiations that American caucasian [PUA culture seems to chiefly be aimed towards and molded around this cultural category] men and women engage in when courting and mating.
But the means in which these observations are implemented… It all seems to build an individual towards style without any substance.