It seems obvious from context that multifoliaterose was assuming agreement with utilitarian values and making his arguments about what “we should” do based on that assumption, and not claiming that the true/informed preferences of everyone in this community would be utilitarian. (The post does not explicitly claim that, nor contains any arguments that might support the claim.)
That distinction seems to be going out of fashion, though.
Fair enough; I agree it was clearly not the reading multifoliaterose actually intended. I read multifoliaterose as saying to the extent that our values are utilitarian, cryonics doesn’t fulfill them well.
Why do you say that?
I guess it’s an impression I got from reading many conversations here.
I guess it’s an impression I got from reading many conversations here.
I would expect that most conversations involve currently endorsed preferences, simply because it’s much easier to discuss what we should do now given what we currently think our values are, than to make any nontrivial progress towards figuring out what our values would be if we were fully informed. I don’t think that constitutes evidence that people are forgetting the distinction (if that’s what you meant by “going out of fashion”).
I’d be interested to know if you had something else in mind.
It seems obvious from context that multifoliaterose was assuming agreement with utilitarian values and making his arguments about what “we should” do based on that assumption, and not claiming that the true/informed preferences of everyone in this community would be utilitarian. (The post does not explicitly claim that, nor contains any arguments that might support the claim.)
Why do you say that?
Fair enough; I agree it was clearly not the reading multifoliaterose actually intended. I read multifoliaterose as saying to the extent that our values are utilitarian, cryonics doesn’t fulfill them well.
I guess it’s an impression I got from reading many conversations here.
I would expect that most conversations involve currently endorsed preferences, simply because it’s much easier to discuss what we should do now given what we currently think our values are, than to make any nontrivial progress towards figuring out what our values would be if we were fully informed. I don’t think that constitutes evidence that people are forgetting the distinction (if that’s what you meant by “going out of fashion”).
I’d be interested to know if you had something else in mind.
Your original reading of my claim is the message that I intended to convey.