All in all, I find myself really disheartened by this whole saga since, 1) I find it, in the abstract, plausible that there are areas of modern science that have went down the wrong road because the practitioners have misled themselves, 2) some of the best content for me on LW over the many years has been of the type that highlights such deficiencies, and 3) I can see no progress being made on resolving our disagreements here.
As such, I’m not sure how much more value we can get out continuing these discussions. That really makes me sad since being willing to continually engage until disagreements are resolved is something I often enjoy.
I myself also tend to enjoy posts about science going down the wrong road. If you are comfortable sharing and it is is not too inconvenient to you, I am curious which specific posts you have enjoyed on this topic.
I know the vagueness of this is going to be irritating, and I sincerely apologize up front. I’m not a very “hygienic” reader...aka, I don’t do a good job of physically or mentally organizing the information I’ve consumed to easily reference it in the future.
I can’t actually think of any exact posts or comments, but when I ask myself “what do I like about LW?”, one of the answers I give myself is something along the lines of “not willing to just accept science or scientific conventional wisdom at face value”. (It’s also possible that the impression I’ve built over the past 10+ years is just confused...probably stemming from the aforementioned bad information hygiene.)
Eliezer posted at least once on something at least tangentially related...about how science can’t save you or something like that. There’s been posts or comment threads about vitamins and I think other health-related “stuff”. Over the years, Scott Alexander has written bucking-the-science-establishment-on-X posts as well.
As I give it more thought, I also think of posts that were written from the standpoint where the poster was seemingly prepared to accept that science was wrong or even thought ahead of time that science was wrong, but after investigation found out that, yep, science was probably right. IIRC, the vitamins post I mentioned above was in that vein.
All in all, I find myself really disheartened by this whole saga since, 1) I find it, in the abstract, plausible that there are areas of modern science that have went down the wrong road because the practitioners have misled themselves, 2) some of the best content for me on LW over the many years has been of the type that highlights such deficiencies, and 3) I can see no progress being made on resolving our disagreements here.
As such, I’m not sure how much more value we can get out continuing these discussions. That really makes me sad since being willing to continually engage until disagreements are resolved is something I often enjoy.
I myself also tend to enjoy posts about science going down the wrong road. If you are comfortable sharing and it is is not too inconvenient to you, I am curious which specific posts you have enjoyed on this topic.
I know the vagueness of this is going to be irritating, and I sincerely apologize up front. I’m not a very “hygienic” reader...aka, I don’t do a good job of physically or mentally organizing the information I’ve consumed to easily reference it in the future.
I can’t actually think of any exact posts or comments, but when I ask myself “what do I like about LW?”, one of the answers I give myself is something along the lines of “not willing to just accept science or scientific conventional wisdom at face value”. (It’s also possible that the impression I’ve built over the past 10+ years is just confused...probably stemming from the aforementioned bad information hygiene.)
Eliezer posted at least once on something at least tangentially related...about how science can’t save you or something like that. There’s been posts or comment threads about vitamins and I think other health-related “stuff”. Over the years, Scott Alexander has written bucking-the-science-establishment-on-X posts as well.
As I give it more thought, I also think of posts that were written from the standpoint where the poster was seemingly prepared to accept that science was wrong or even thought ahead of time that science was wrong, but after investigation found out that, yep, science was probably right. IIRC, the vitamins post I mentioned above was in that vein.