This is precisely how I feel about most self-help and productivity advice, except substituting “mind” for “bodies”, and “procrastinator” for “fat person”. ;-)
The fact that it feels precisely identical should not be surprising at all—precisely the same mechanism is occurring in both cases.
Mental health/productivity and physical health/fitness are both situations that have a massive social stigma, and a massive incentive for people who are (to use Msr. Yudkowski’s term) “privileged” to function in a manner that allows them to achieve socially acceptable results by performing socially acceptable procedures.
The fact is, our culture (and regrettably, ESPECIALLY the sort of people who are attracted to lesswrong) thrives on the sort of “but I’m better than that!” thinking that leads directly to prejudiced bullshit about “willpower” and “not trying hard enough” and “wanting to fail” and “ugly fat fucks” and “useless social retards” and “parasite welfare queens”. Because, as a species of social primate thrust into a constant high-stress environment, those of you who are constantly receiving cortisol/dopamine signals that you’re just-barely-making-it-but-look-out-for-that-tiger need people to feel superior to.
I find that LW has much less of the prejudiced bullshit you describe than mainstream culture, probably because of the common belief that willpower isn’t magic.
Interesting. I would very much like to also find that LW has much less of that prejudiced bullshit. Can you think of a way that our behaviors might lead to our differences in experience, so that I might experience more of the LW that you are experiencing?
True on the other hand, social pressure is a great way to fight akrasia. On the other hand telling people they have no control over their actions is a great way to promote akrasia.
those of you who are constantly receiving cortisol/dopamine signals that you’re just-barely-making-it-but-look-out-for-that-tiger
Do you use the second person with the intention of not including yourself in that group? If so, I’m interested in what you believe distinguishes your group from the group you’re addressing.
Do you use the second person with the intention of not including yourself in that group?
If so, I’m interested in what you believe distinguishes your group from the group you’re addressing.
I’m a useless social retard, and thus am no longer receiving signals that I’m just-barely-making-it. I am instead receiving I’m-fucked-and-need-to-self-terminate-for-the-sake-of-the-pack signals.
I’m a useless social retard, and thus am no longer receiving signals that I’m just-barely-making-it. I am instead receiving I’m-fucked-and-need-to-self-terminate-for-the-sake-of-the-pack signals.
Um, no you’re not? This is the theory of Group Selectionism. There is no chemical signal that your brain will naturally produce corresponding to “suicide for the good of the pack”. You can arrive at that idea through other means, but there is almost certainly no low-level chemical signal which corresponds to suicide for the good of the group; everyone who might’ve passed that gene on to you died out for the sake of the people that didn’t have it.
The fact that it feels precisely identical should not be surprising at all—precisely the same mechanism is occurring in both cases.
Mental health/productivity and physical health/fitness are both situations that have a massive social stigma, and a massive incentive for people who are (to use Msr. Yudkowski’s term) “privileged” to function in a manner that allows them to achieve socially acceptable results by performing socially acceptable procedures.
The fact is, our culture (and regrettably, ESPECIALLY the sort of people who are attracted to lesswrong) thrives on the sort of “but I’m better than that!” thinking that leads directly to prejudiced bullshit about “willpower” and “not trying hard enough” and “wanting to fail” and “ugly fat fucks” and “useless social retards” and “parasite welfare queens”. Because, as a species of social primate thrust into a constant high-stress environment, those of you who are constantly receiving cortisol/dopamine signals that you’re just-barely-making-it-but-look-out-for-that-tiger need people to feel superior to.
I find that LW has much less of the prejudiced bullshit you describe than mainstream culture, probably because of the common belief that willpower isn’t magic.
Interesting. I would very much like to also find that LW has much less of that prejudiced bullshit. Can you think of a way that our behaviors might lead to our differences in experience, so that I might experience more of the LW that you are experiencing?
I suspect that I’ve got some tendency towards “glass half full”—I tend to notice the good stuff.
Also, LW being better on the issue than the mainstream doesn’t mean that LW is consistently good, just that it isn’t resoundingly awful.
This update from CFAR is a good example on LW of supporting skillful means rather than just blaming people who aren’t doing well.
True on the other hand, social pressure is a great way to fight akrasia. On the other hand telling people they have no control over their actions is a great way to promote akrasia.
Social pressure works to oppose akrasia.… except when it doesn’t work. Some people end up crushed rather than pushed in a useful direction.
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Do you use the second person with the intention of not including yourself in that group?
If so, I’m interested in what you believe distinguishes your group from the group you’re addressing.
I’m a useless social retard, and thus am no longer receiving signals that I’m just-barely-making-it. I am instead receiving I’m-fucked-and-need-to-self-terminate-for-the-sake-of-the-pack signals.
Um, no you’re not? This is the theory of Group Selectionism. There is no chemical signal that your brain will naturally produce corresponding to “suicide for the good of the pack”. You can arrive at that idea through other means, but there is almost certainly no low-level chemical signal which corresponds to suicide for the good of the group; everyone who might’ve passed that gene on to you died out for the sake of the people that didn’t have it.
If the pack contains blood relatives, yes it can. See Kin Selection.