I do give them assigned due dates, actually; I just make it clear to everyone that I’ll accept arbitrarily late work without penalty. I make a show of collecting papers on the date they’re due. About 80--90% of the students turn in their work on the due date.
Adding to the incentive scheme here is the fact that the classwork builds on earlier work, so if they just procrastinate for a few weeks, they’ll be in a pretty dire situation. If they have to go see a funeral or a concert, or they’ve been really busy some week with exams or a big project for another class, or whatever, then my method gives them enough flexibility for that, but the great majority of people do not procrastinate the way you might predict.
I guess you could call this system “obviously fictitious due dates”. Everybody knows that the due dates are made of handwaving and rainbows, but that doesn’t make them much less effective. And this way I don’t have to listen to any damn excuses, and my students don’t have to think of any; I just smile and recommend catching up before next week.
About 80--90% of the students turn in their work on the due date.
Of the 10-20% who do not turn in their work on the due date, how many eventually turn it in, and how does their quality of work compare to those who turned it in “on time”?
It would be interesting to see a repeat of the experiment Yvain mentions, with another class added using your “obviously fictitious due dates”.
Of the 10-20% who do not turn in their work on the due date, how many eventually turn it in, and how does their quality of work compare to those who turned it in “on time”?
I would say, about 2⁄3 of the people who miss the due date turn in their work a little late. Of those who don’t, a handful will turn in a batch of late papers at the end of the semester, which is a pain in the ass, but at least they did it. And then there are the people who just give up on the class but don’t actually drop it. They make up the bulk of the people who don’t turn in their work ever.
The quality of the late papers is, on average, lower than the quality of the on-time papers. This makes sense; the more diligent students would tend to do better work and get it in on time.
It would be interesting to see a repeat of the experiment Yvain mentions, with another class added using your “obviously fictitious due dates”.
One confounding factor is that the study Yvain mentioned has only three assignments, whereas I have a larger number that are due more frequently. I suspect that my method might not work quite as well with a smaller number of assignments.
The quality of the late papers is, on average, lower than the quality of the on-time papers. This makes sense; the more diligent students would tend to do better work and get it in on time.
Do you have a method for disentangling any negative bias you might have towards late papers (because they are ‘a pain in the ass’) from your quality judgements? I imagine the degree to which completely objective quality measurements are possible is a function of what subject you are teaching.
I hadn’t thought of that, but it turns out that yes, I do! I handle the grading in two phases; in phase one I assign grades, and in phase two I enter them into the grade book. The pain-in-the-ass aspect comes mostly in phase two. I don’t really mind grading late papers; it’s dealing with the school’s broken-ass computer system, Blackboard, that is really aggravating when I’m entering late grades. Or any grades, really, but late grades are worse.
Therefore the grades I assign should be fairly disentangled from any annoyance I may feel later in phase two.
(By the way, nice job thinking up that criticism. The ability to habitually see possible cognitive bias in everyday life is important, and needs to be lauded more.)
(Also, if you happen to be an educational institution, never use Blackboard. It’s the worst thing since BonziBuddy.)
I’m not denying that Blackboard sucks—my university uses it, too—but I’ve not had too much trouble entering grades by the download-edit-upload method. The download and upload options are in the “Grade Center” under “Manage”, and the file is tab-delimited (or some alternate option I have already forgotten about) and editable in Excel.
I’m not quite as flexible as you; my rule is that you can turn it in late (with no penalty) until the day that I return the graded work (which I will delay upon request). I put in this restriction only to avoid the big pile of late papers at the end of the term, which seems to be less of a hassle for you than it is for me. I get similar results.
And yet, there are always a few students who just do not grasp how it works. I get ‘I’m sorry that I missed class yesterday; can I still turn the assignment in today?’ a lot. So ‘obviously fictitious due dates’ is sadly an exaggeration.
I do give them assigned due dates, actually; I just make it clear to everyone that I’ll accept arbitrarily late work without penalty. I make a show of collecting papers on the date they’re due. About 80--90% of the students turn in their work on the due date.
Adding to the incentive scheme here is the fact that the classwork builds on earlier work, so if they just procrastinate for a few weeks, they’ll be in a pretty dire situation. If they have to go see a funeral or a concert, or they’ve been really busy some week with exams or a big project for another class, or whatever, then my method gives them enough flexibility for that, but the great majority of people do not procrastinate the way you might predict.
I guess you could call this system “obviously fictitious due dates”. Everybody knows that the due dates are made of handwaving and rainbows, but that doesn’t make them much less effective. And this way I don’t have to listen to any damn excuses, and my students don’t have to think of any; I just smile and recommend catching up before next week.
Of the 10-20% who do not turn in their work on the due date, how many eventually turn it in, and how does their quality of work compare to those who turned it in “on time”?
It would be interesting to see a repeat of the experiment Yvain mentions, with another class added using your “obviously fictitious due dates”.
I would say, about 2⁄3 of the people who miss the due date turn in their work a little late. Of those who don’t, a handful will turn in a batch of late papers at the end of the semester, which is a pain in the ass, but at least they did it. And then there are the people who just give up on the class but don’t actually drop it. They make up the bulk of the people who don’t turn in their work ever.
The quality of the late papers is, on average, lower than the quality of the on-time papers. This makes sense; the more diligent students would tend to do better work and get it in on time.
One confounding factor is that the study Yvain mentioned has only three assignments, whereas I have a larger number that are due more frequently. I suspect that my method might not work quite as well with a smaller number of assignments.
Do you have a method for disentangling any negative bias you might have towards late papers (because they are ‘a pain in the ass’) from your quality judgements? I imagine the degree to which completely objective quality measurements are possible is a function of what subject you are teaching.
I hadn’t thought of that, but it turns out that yes, I do! I handle the grading in two phases; in phase one I assign grades, and in phase two I enter them into the grade book. The pain-in-the-ass aspect comes mostly in phase two. I don’t really mind grading late papers; it’s dealing with the school’s broken-ass computer system, Blackboard, that is really aggravating when I’m entering late grades. Or any grades, really, but late grades are worse.
Therefore the grades I assign should be fairly disentangled from any annoyance I may feel later in phase two.
(By the way, nice job thinking up that criticism. The ability to habitually see possible cognitive bias in everyday life is important, and needs to be lauded more.)
(Also, if you happen to be an educational institution, never use Blackboard. It’s the worst thing since BonziBuddy.)
I’m not denying that Blackboard sucks—my university uses it, too—but I’ve not had too much trouble entering grades by the download-edit-upload method. The download and upload options are in the “Grade Center” under “Manage”, and the file is tab-delimited (or some alternate option I have already forgotten about) and editable in Excel.
I’m not quite as flexible as you; my rule is that you can turn it in late (with no penalty) until the day that I return the graded work (which I will delay upon request). I put in this restriction only to avoid the big pile of late papers at the end of the term, which seems to be less of a hassle for you than it is for me. I get similar results.
And yet, there are always a few students who just do not grasp how it works. I get ‘I’m sorry that I missed class yesterday; can I still turn the assignment in today?’ a lot. So ‘obviously fictitious due dates’ is sadly an exaggeration.