I suspect that the degree of uniqueness makes voicing ones voice both more valuable and harder.
I do have a somewhat contrary experience where actually shutting up in responce to negative signals got me forward. One doesn’t need to integrate to everything and part of walking a unique path is that one needs to walk it elsewhere.
I do suspect that there are multiple listening modes. Just passively receiving it is easy to not fully explore all the consequences. Actively doing something requires more. But there are lot of specialists that require special decoding skills. Taking for example philosphers seriously and vividly can make for a kind of connection that seems a lot of “uneducated” or “untuned” people miss. I guess there is a saying of “It takes one to know one” which can be walked in the direction of “if you build up yourself to be a thing that will enable that kind of interaction with others” but it might also be walked in the direction of “understanding something properly will inevitably lead you to be able to recreate and be that kind of thing”
So I guess it makes more sense for me to see “undeveloped voice” as the inabilty to see or look at your life, not taking it seriously, assuming it has properties that other peoples lives have. Then it is not so much whether your life is communicated to the world but rather whether you partipate and steer your own life.
Because voicing one’s unique voice requires doing a novel thing that may not have ever done in the same way? And doing that novel thing is potentially valuable, but because it’s novel, is more difficult, yes?
I’m curious to hear more about your contrary experience if you’re comfortable with sharing that. What does “integrate to everything” mean?
Understanding a particular thing properly implies a possible gears level of understanding for said thing, which requires an understanding of the specifics of how such thing was constructed after deconstructing it, necessarily, I think. So I agree with “understanding something properly will inevitably lead you to be able to recreate and be that kind of thing”, even if sometimes that may be extraordinarily difficult. Are you referring to esoteric writing / reading in your post? Your talk of special decoding skills, taking philosophers seriously and vividly causes connections that most others miss, ‘it takes one to know one’, etc. give me that impression.
“So I guess it makes more sense for me to see “undeveloped voice” as the inabilty to see or look at your life, not taking it seriously, assuming it has properties that other peoples lives have. Then it is not so much whether your life is communicated to the world but rather whether you partipate and steer your own life.”
I agree. You make a few great points here, thanks. Do you have any further thoughts on the subject, or recommended readings? Ideas on how people develop the voice and increase the agency over their own life?
Part of the negative experience is just making lesswrong posts with negative karma. Trouble communicating might be more charactersitc to my circumstances. However it should be noted that closeting and masking are pretty standard solutions found. This suggests they serve a real need. An “opening up” period can be seen as coutneracting this basic withdrawal reaction having gone too far and applied out of habit rather than where neccesary.
There are a lot of social fora in the internet and in life. Pushing and applying yourself to all of them would be challenging and some of them are easier and more fruitful. While trying to intergrate into everything would make the voices more diverse, it is not strictly true that giving your unique contribution will always enhance a community or your experience. A principle like “first do no harm” in practise means a lot of inhibition and accounting for limits one can’t see (clearly).
I didn’t exactly shoot for that kind of coding communication, more like swine not being able to make heads or tails about pearls. Old peoples sayings are simple enough to remember but require a certain amount of experience to appriciate. Cultural exploration being way wider and rich in the indy scale rather than “pop mainstream”. In a way writing in math makes you assume that the to be reader is proficient in math, for if they were not they would have failed to read it or turned away in disgust. Or like there was advice how to conduct yourself should you encounter aliens: They have not heard of Einstein but they probably have heard of relativity.
One heuristic to increase agency in a difficult situation notice the parts which you have built and which others have built. A person for example for most words uses existing formulation and doesn’t recoin all of them. But any such “foregin thought” is a possiblity to do otherwise or atleast check that it is appropriate to your context. And even if it is by your hand one might not have applied original thought with it. And when it is truly a orginal creation thinking why it was made gives understanding whether it can be universalised or not or should it keep limited in scope.
I suspect that the degree of uniqueness makes voicing ones voice both more valuable and harder.
I do have a somewhat contrary experience where actually shutting up in responce to negative signals got me forward. One doesn’t need to integrate to everything and part of walking a unique path is that one needs to walk it elsewhere.
I do suspect that there are multiple listening modes. Just passively receiving it is easy to not fully explore all the consequences. Actively doing something requires more. But there are lot of specialists that require special decoding skills. Taking for example philosphers seriously and vividly can make for a kind of connection that seems a lot of “uneducated” or “untuned” people miss. I guess there is a saying of “It takes one to know one” which can be walked in the direction of “if you build up yourself to be a thing that will enable that kind of interaction with others” but it might also be walked in the direction of “understanding something properly will inevitably lead you to be able to recreate and be that kind of thing”
So I guess it makes more sense for me to see “undeveloped voice” as the inabilty to see or look at your life, not taking it seriously, assuming it has properties that other peoples lives have. Then it is not so much whether your life is communicated to the world but rather whether you partipate and steer your own life.
Because voicing one’s unique voice requires doing a novel thing that may not have ever done in the same way? And doing that novel thing is potentially valuable, but because it’s novel, is more difficult, yes?
I’m curious to hear more about your contrary experience if you’re comfortable with sharing that. What does “integrate to everything” mean?
Understanding a particular thing properly implies a possible gears level of understanding for said thing, which requires an understanding of the specifics of how such thing was constructed after deconstructing it, necessarily, I think. So I agree with “understanding something properly will inevitably lead you to be able to recreate and be that kind of thing”, even if sometimes that may be extraordinarily difficult. Are you referring to esoteric writing / reading in your post? Your talk of special decoding skills, taking philosophers seriously and vividly causes connections that most others miss, ‘it takes one to know one’, etc. give me that impression.
“So I guess it makes more sense for me to see “undeveloped voice” as the inabilty to see or look at your life, not taking it seriously, assuming it has properties that other peoples lives have. Then it is not so much whether your life is communicated to the world but rather whether you partipate and steer your own life.”
I agree. You make a few great points here, thanks. Do you have any further thoughts on the subject, or recommended readings? Ideas on how people develop the voice and increase the agency over their own life?
Part of the negative experience is just making lesswrong posts with negative karma. Trouble communicating might be more charactersitc to my circumstances. However it should be noted that closeting and masking are pretty standard solutions found. This suggests they serve a real need. An “opening up” period can be seen as coutneracting this basic withdrawal reaction having gone too far and applied out of habit rather than where neccesary.
There are a lot of social fora in the internet and in life. Pushing and applying yourself to all of them would be challenging and some of them are easier and more fruitful. While trying to intergrate into everything would make the voices more diverse, it is not strictly true that giving your unique contribution will always enhance a community or your experience. A principle like “first do no harm” in practise means a lot of inhibition and accounting for limits one can’t see (clearly).
I didn’t exactly shoot for that kind of coding communication, more like swine not being able to make heads or tails about pearls. Old peoples sayings are simple enough to remember but require a certain amount of experience to appriciate. Cultural exploration being way wider and rich in the indy scale rather than “pop mainstream”. In a way writing in math makes you assume that the to be reader is proficient in math, for if they were not they would have failed to read it or turned away in disgust. Or like there was advice how to conduct yourself should you encounter aliens: They have not heard of Einstein but they probably have heard of relativity.
One heuristic to increase agency in a difficult situation notice the parts which you have built and which others have built. A person for example for most words uses existing formulation and doesn’t recoin all of them. But any such “foregin thought” is a possiblity to do otherwise or atleast check that it is appropriate to your context. And even if it is by your hand one might not have applied original thought with it. And when it is truly a orginal creation thinking why it was made gives understanding whether it can be universalised or not or should it keep limited in scope.