OK, then, do you consider Schindler’s List or any other Hollywood film evidence that the war was profitable for industrialists in Germany?
That’s a funny thing to say on the quotes thread. Tom McCabe is deploying rhetoric, but this whole thread is about sharing rhetoric (or maybe directly using it).
In my humble opinion, quoting Hollywood movies detracts from any conversation about historical facts or about causal relationships even if the conversation starts with a rationality quote.
Moreover, none of the opinions I have seen as to the purpose of Rationality Quotes entails a rhetorical free-for-all. An example of an opinion that I recall is that a quote is an attempt to communicate some aspect of the art of human rationality in much fewer words than would be required by the standard expository rationalist style. The quote from the Hollywood movie does not have that property because the quoter could have written instead, “it is well documented that many German industrialists profited greatly from the war,” which of course is fewer words than the quote from the movie and which of course is standard expository style (no rhetoric).
I have nothing personal against the quoter (Tom) and I believe and I hope that I would have voiced the same objection if anyone here had used that particular rhetorical tactic.
An example of an opinion that I recall is that a quote is an attempt to communicate some aspect of the art of human rationality in much fewer words than would be required by the standard expository rationalist style.
Yeah, they say that, but I don’t believe them. At least, I don’t believe any version of that that doesn’t also cover Tom’s quote.
Well, I for one wish you would refrain from such a heavy-handed rhetorical tactic.
Everyone has a natural human tendency to consider what they see in movies as “documentary evidence”. I wish you’d try to help us overcome that cognitive bias, not encourage us to persist in it.
Why include the quote from Schindler’s List? Are we supposed to take it as evidence for what causes wars?
That’s a funny thing to say on the quotes thread. Tom McCabe is deploying rhetoric, but this whole thread is about sharing rhetoric (or maybe directly using it).
In my humble opinion, quoting Hollywood movies detracts from any conversation about historical facts or about causal relationships even if the conversation starts with a rationality quote.
Moreover, none of the opinions I have seen as to the purpose of Rationality Quotes entails a rhetorical free-for-all. An example of an opinion that I recall is that a quote is an attempt to communicate some aspect of the art of human rationality in much fewer words than would be required by the standard expository rationalist style. The quote from the Hollywood movie does not have that property because the quoter could have written instead, “it is well documented that many German industrialists profited greatly from the war,” which of course is fewer words than the quote from the movie and which of course is standard expository style (no rhetoric).
I have nothing personal against the quoter (Tom) and I believe and I hope that I would have voiced the same objection if anyone here had used that particular rhetorical tactic.
Yeah, they say that, but I don’t believe them. At least, I don’t believe any version of that that doesn’t also cover Tom’s quote.
It’s supposed to be an example of how war can be profitable for industry (as indeed it was for many in Germany during WWII).
OK, then, do you consider Schindler’s List or any other Hollywood film evidence that the war was profitable for industrialists in Germany?
I always thought that Hollywood films were held to high standards for mass appeal and sometime for aesthetics, but not for historical veracity.
I quoted the film merely for rhetorical purposes. The fact that many German industrialists got rich off WWII is very thoroughly documented.
Well, I for one wish you would refrain from such a heavy-handed rhetorical tactic.
Everyone has a natural human tendency to consider what they see in movies as “documentary evidence”. I wish you’d try to help us overcome that cognitive bias, not encourage us to persist in it.
Especially in “based on a real story” pseudo documentary films.