Again the very evil mind shattering secret, why do I keep running into you?
This is getting old, lots of people seem to know about it. And a few even know the
evil soul wrecking idea.
The truth is out there, my monkey brains can’t cope with the other’s having a secret not willing to share, they may bash my skull in with a stone! I should just mass PM the guys who know about the secret in a nonconspicus way. They will drop hints, they are weak. Also traces of the relevant texts have to still be on-line.
That job advert seems to be the kind a rather small subset of organizations would put out.
That is just paranoid don’t even think about that.
XXX asf ag agdlqog hh hpoq fha r wr rqw oipa wtrwz wrz wrhz. W211!!
Yay posting on Lesswrong feels like playing Call of Cthulhu!
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These are supposed to be not only very smart, but very rational people, people you have a high opinion of, who seem to take the idea very seriously. They may be trying to manipulate you. There may be a non-trivial possibility of them being right.
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I suddenly feel much less enthusiastic about life extension and cryonics.
I do have access to the forbidden post, and have no qualms about sharing it privately. I actually sought it out actively after I heard about the debacle, and was very disappointed when I finally got a copy to find that it was a post that I had already read and dismissed.
I don’t think there’s anything there, and I know what people think is there, and it lowered my estimation of the people who took it seriously, especially given the mean things Eliezer said to Roko.
But to be serious, yes if I find the idea is foolish, the people who take it seriously, this reduces my optimism as well, just as much as malice on the part of the Lesswrong staff or just plain real dark secrets since I take clippy to be a serious and very scary threat (I hope you don’t take too much offence clippy you are a wonderful poster) . I should have stated that too. But to be honest it would be much less fun knowing the evil soul crushing self-fulfilling prophecy (tm), the situation around it is hilarious.
What really catches my attention however is the thought experiment of how exactly one is supposed to quarantine a very very dangerous idea. Since in the space of all possible ideas, I’m quite sure there are a few that could prove very toxic to humans.
The LW member that take it seriously are doing a horrible job of it.
Indeed, in the classic story, it was an idea whose time had come, and there was no effective means of quarantining it. And when it comes to ideas that have hit the light of day, there are always going to be those of us who hate censorship more than death.
A minute in Konkvistador’s mind:
I do have access to the forbidden post, and have no qualms about sharing it privately. I actually sought it out actively after I heard about the debacle, and was very disappointed when I finally got a copy to find that it was a post that I had already read and dismissed.
I don’t think there’s anything there, and I know what people think is there, and it lowered my estimation of the people who took it seriously, especially given the mean things Eliezer said to Roko.
Can I haz evil soul crushing idea plz?
But to be serious, yes if I find the idea is foolish, the people who take it seriously, this reduces my optimism as well, just as much as malice on the part of the Lesswrong staff or just plain real dark secrets since I take clippy to be a serious and very scary threat (I hope you don’t take too much offence clippy you are a wonderful poster) . I should have stated that too. But to be honest it would be much less fun knowing the evil soul crushing self-fulfilling prophecy (tm), the situation around it is hilarious.
What really catches my attention however is the thought experiment of how exactly one is supposed to quarantine a very very dangerous idea. Since in the space of all possible ideas, I’m quite sure there are a few that could prove very toxic to humans.
The LW member that take it seriously are doing a horrible job of it.
Upvoted for the cat picture.
Indeed, in the classic story, it was an idea whose time had come, and there was no effective means of quarantining it. And when it comes to ideas that have hit the light of day, there are always going to be those of us who hate censorship more than death.