As far as real conspiracy goes, there plenty of evidence of pharma companies having to pay huge fines because they bribe doctors in various ways to do what’s good for the pharma company.
No, my claim is about the process in which memes succeed. As such it’s not invalid ad hominem to analyse that process.
If you forbid all kinds of ad hominems than you basically say that it’s in general a fallacy to call out someone who’s suffering from bias. To stay in the overall argument, there no reason to blind yourself and ignore features of the process that produces memes.
You’ve made a claim and aren’t supplying evidence for it, formal or even non-negligible Bayesian.
I haven’t made a claim that includes the word “conspiracy”. You used that word. There no reason for my to provide evidence for claims I haven’t made.
Given the kind of claims I’m arguing there no reason to attack straw mans.
The database shows Pfizer has made at least $538,200,000 in side payments to doctors, while Eli Lily comes in a close second having paid out $490,600,000.
That are two companies paying together a billion in bribes and it only counts the bribes of doctors.
Whether or not you want to call a billion in bribes a conspiracy is semantics which doesn’t have much to do with Bayesian reasoning and I specifically didn’t use the word ‘conspiracy’ because I don’t think it’s very helpful in this case.
Do you doubt that big pharma has a bunch of lobbyists that have a lot of influence on the medical system? Is that a claim for which you want proof?
Do you want me to search of the marketing budget of various big pharma companies and for the amount of money that the chiropractor associating can afford to spend on similar activities?
You haven’t advanced a dot of evidence relating to chiropracty, which is the subject of this subthread. You’ve advanced evidence of lobbyists, but not that the lobbyists are destroying a deserved good reputation of chiropracty. Do you have any evidence to this effect? (Both of the lobbying and of the good reputation.)
I claim that certain views are hold by a certain group of people for reason that have to do with the actions of certain organisations.
You claim that’s I’m engaging into a logical fallacy if I look at the way beliefs are formed. As humans don’t form their beliefs through logic, that’s besides the point.
Even if you form your beliefs through logic, it’s still an interesting discussion to discuss why the medical profession believes what it believes.
That fact that you are unable to make that distinction makes you unable to follow the argument I’m making.
I didn’t argue in this thread that chiropractors deserve a good reputation or for that matter recommended to someone that he should go to a chiropractor.
I don’t think in terms of black and white but make statements that are much more nuanced.
Your fallacy is: tu quoque.
You’ve made a claim and aren’t supplying evidence for it, formal or even non-negligible Bayesian.
No, my claim is about the process in which memes succeed. As such it’s not invalid ad hominem to analyse that process.
If you forbid all kinds of ad hominems than you basically say that it’s in general a fallacy to call out someone who’s suffering from bias. To stay in the overall argument, there no reason to blind yourself and ignore features of the process that produces memes.
I haven’t made a claim that includes the word “conspiracy”. You used that word. There no reason for my to provide evidence for claims I haven’t made. Given the kind of claims I’m arguing there no reason to attack straw mans.
If you want evidence for big pharma paying kickbacks to promote drugs : http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q22013/feds-sue-novartis-pharma-for-paying-kickbacks/
That are two companies paying together a billion in bribes and it only counts the bribes of doctors. Whether or not you want to call a billion in bribes a conspiracy is semantics which doesn’t have much to do with Bayesian reasoning and I specifically didn’t use the word ‘conspiracy’ because I don’t think it’s very helpful in this case.
Do you doubt that big pharma has a bunch of lobbyists that have a lot of influence on the medical system? Is that a claim for which you want proof?
Do you want me to search of the marketing budget of various big pharma companies and for the amount of money that the chiropractor associating can afford to spend on similar activities?
You haven’t advanced a dot of evidence relating to chiropracty, which is the subject of this subthread. You’ve advanced evidence of lobbyists, but not that the lobbyists are destroying a deserved good reputation of chiropracty. Do you have any evidence to this effect? (Both of the lobbying and of the good reputation.)
I claim that certain views are hold by a certain group of people for reason that have to do with the actions of certain organisations.
You claim that’s I’m engaging into a logical fallacy if I look at the way beliefs are formed. As humans don’t form their beliefs through logic, that’s besides the point. Even if you form your beliefs through logic, it’s still an interesting discussion to discuss why the medical profession believes what it believes.
That fact that you are unable to make that distinction makes you unable to follow the argument I’m making.
I didn’t argue in this thread that chiropractors deserve a good reputation or for that matter recommended to someone that he should go to a chiropractor. I don’t think in terms of black and white but make statements that are much more nuanced.