Interesting, might have to look into this some more.
Yeah, the fat distribution thing motivated me not to transition MTF when I was in high school. That and plenty of trannies regret it, most don’t pass, and transitioning is more fad than evidence based treatment to gender dysphoria. Plus I reckon in retrospect it was just a bit of transvestic fetishism which isn’t good to ‘treat’ with transitioning.
That and plenty of trannies regret it, most don’t pass, and transitioning is more fad than evidence based treatment to gender dysphoria.
Really? I’d heard the opposite, that regret is rare and that transitioning clearly improves quality of life. Based on a brief Googling, most studies seem to find low regret and improved quality of life post-transitioning, according to e.g. http://transascity.org/quality-of-life-in-treated-transsexuals/
IIRC, transitioning improves QOL for people who don’t fall into a number of exclusions that I’d suspect are very frequently comorbid with self-reports of transgender identity and/or gender dysphoria. On the same token, I reckon lots of people without gender dysphoria can benefit from transitioning, depending on their risk tolerance, undersanding of sexual strategy and such. But that’s not gonna be a useful spiel for many if anyone who will read this.
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Yes, I would hear the opposite too predominately, before I started looking into it with a neutral frame. I’m not saying the evidence would stack that way again now, since I did my informal survey of the evidence for myself years ago. But, some reasons to be skeptical of the answer of ‘transition’ to the instances of gender dysphoria:
Bias
On the internet, there are some of the most blatant reporting biases. Particularly when there are communities to generate a particular kind of sentiment. Combined with significant political influence and ‘alliance’ with the other LGBI bla bla bla letters, you get yourself, well, a huge circle jerk.
If you’re looking for something with the slightest bias in your keywords, you’re likely to find it. Heck, Google’s AI could pick up on bias in your keywords 6 months ago in the search results it shows you.
The systematic review linked to is very good, actually. But it’s hosted by a trans collective. I’d be suspicious of bias naturally. That may just be an artifact of pay-walling that they’re kindly willing to flour though.
methodology
Their primary outcome of interset is suicide risk yet it looks like there are only 3 studies that report on it − 1 saying transtiioning increasing risk the others saying it decreases, then about 20 studies not reporting on it...doesn’t give me any confidence in the paper. My general impression from interaction with an (albeit, marginalised subpocket) of transexuals is that the sophistication of current psychological tools are insufficient to grasp the complexities of this issue. They aren’t an exception in this, I reckon the same could be said about a number of personality disorders (of which gender dysphoria is not one).
Importantly, the first thing that sets of alarm bells in the article is that they term transitioning as ‘treatment’. Standard literature would use the term intervention or an otherwise neutral term. It’s just a bit odd. I didn’t read through the bulk of the content below the table so I won’t comment, but it looks properly cited and I saw words like depression and anxiety.
Oh forgot, the other primary outcome of interest seems to be ‘overall impression of quality of life years’. I can’t take that seriously based on a number of things—e.g. non-apriori specification of what would constitute better quality of life, QUL measures are, as a class, shit psychometric tools (tell me about validity all you want).
Ok, I’ve got to the end of this little rant and I’m coming to suspect my frame of mind looking at the paper was to dispute what you said. Not to evaluate it objectively at all. Please frame what I’ve said in that way—I’ve been very biased myself here.
That and plenty of trannies regret it, most don’t pass
I’m not sure that any ever do. It is, I have heard, standard wisdom amongst experienced transsexuals, that every time you walk down the street, you will be read (as they call it). Not by everyone all the time, but every time by someone. The most that can be achieved, which is largely up to the people around one rather than oneself, is to be accepted as a transsexual, as someone who has chosen to adopt certain gender appearances and performances. Becoming indistinguishable from the other sex, even if only in non-intimate situations, is not currently possible.
Interesting, might have to look into this some more.
Yeah, the fat distribution thing motivated me not to transition MTF when I was in high school. That and plenty of trannies regret it, most don’t pass, and transitioning is more fad than evidence based treatment to gender dysphoria. Plus I reckon in retrospect it was just a bit of transvestic fetishism which isn’t good to ‘treat’ with transitioning.
But yeah, different reasons now.
Really? I’d heard the opposite, that regret is rare and that transitioning clearly improves quality of life. Based on a brief Googling, most studies seem to find low regret and improved quality of life post-transitioning, according to e.g. http://transascity.org/quality-of-life-in-treated-transsexuals/
IIRC, transitioning improves QOL for people who don’t fall into a number of exclusions that I’d suspect are very frequently comorbid with self-reports of transgender identity and/or gender dysphoria. On the same token, I reckon lots of people without gender dysphoria can benefit from transitioning, depending on their risk tolerance, undersanding of sexual strategy and such. But that’s not gonna be a useful spiel for many if anyone who will read this.
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Yes, I would hear the opposite too predominately, before I started looking into it with a neutral frame. I’m not saying the evidence would stack that way again now, since I did my informal survey of the evidence for myself years ago. But, some reasons to be skeptical of the answer of ‘transition’ to the instances of gender dysphoria:
Bias
On the internet, there are some of the most blatant reporting biases. Particularly when there are communities to generate a particular kind of sentiment. Combined with significant political influence and ‘alliance’ with the other LGBI bla bla bla letters, you get yourself, well, a huge circle jerk.
If you’re looking for something with the slightest bias in your keywords, you’re likely to find it. Heck, Google’s AI could pick up on bias in your keywords 6 months ago in the search results it shows you.
The systematic review linked to is very good, actually. But it’s hosted by a trans collective. I’d be suspicious of bias naturally. That may just be an artifact of pay-walling that they’re kindly willing to flour though.
methodology
Their primary outcome of interset is suicide risk yet it looks like there are only 3 studies that report on it − 1 saying transtiioning increasing risk the others saying it decreases, then about 20 studies not reporting on it...doesn’t give me any confidence in the paper. My general impression from interaction with an (albeit, marginalised subpocket) of transexuals is that the sophistication of current psychological tools are insufficient to grasp the complexities of this issue. They aren’t an exception in this, I reckon the same could be said about a number of personality disorders (of which gender dysphoria is not one).
Importantly, the first thing that sets of alarm bells in the article is that they term transitioning as ‘treatment’. Standard literature would use the term intervention or an otherwise neutral term. It’s just a bit odd. I didn’t read through the bulk of the content below the table so I won’t comment, but it looks properly cited and I saw words like depression and anxiety.
Oh forgot, the other primary outcome of interest seems to be ‘overall impression of quality of life years’. I can’t take that seriously based on a number of things—e.g. non-apriori specification of what would constitute better quality of life, QUL measures are, as a class, shit psychometric tools (tell me about validity all you want).
Ok, I’ve got to the end of this little rant and I’m coming to suspect my frame of mind looking at the paper was to dispute what you said. Not to evaluate it objectively at all. Please frame what I’ve said in that way—I’ve been very biased myself here.
Fuck you motivated reasoning.
I’m not sure that any ever do. It is, I have heard, standard wisdom amongst experienced transsexuals, that every time you walk down the street, you will be read (as they call it). Not by everyone all the time, but every time by someone. The most that can be achieved, which is largely up to the people around one rather than oneself, is to be accepted as a transsexual, as someone who has chosen to adopt certain gender appearances and performances. Becoming indistinguishable from the other sex, even if only in non-intimate situations, is not currently possible.