A lot of people think it makes sense to speak of a Black race, a Caucasian race, and an Asian race as if two Black people would be as genetically similar as two Caucasians or as two Asians.
South American natives and Asian people are both descendants of the African tribe that left Africa ~100,000 years ago. Some South American natives have spent enough time near the equator so that they are also as Black as Africans.
I’m not sure that’s true if “nobody ever” is meant literally (and I’m pretty sure I’ve heard dark-skinned Indians referred to as black people a couple of times), but yadda yadda weak men yadda yadda, so good point.
Uhm, neither of those are talking about South American natives as if they were “negroes”. I’m pretty sure they’re talking about the Afro-descended people living there, since they also distinguish between them and the natives.
I’ll grant that some thought the Pacific Islanders were “negroes” though.
I’m not at all sure that first part is true, in a practical sense. Though going by the actual method of classifying individuals does bring in other problems.
I don’t know if we’re talking past each other or if I’ve catastrophically misunderstood your point—but what does the first link have to do with the distinction between SA natives and Africans in SA?
It talks about people who “despise the Brazilian people because of the manifest admixture of African blood in their make-up.” Now this is ambiguous—most people in Brazil have non-zero African ancestry, maybe even more than white US citizens have. But it looks to me like the quoted author is in fact classifying people by skin color alone. They simply assume that Italians and various others have “swarthiness” from the same source (falsely, according to the best info I can find without really caring).
They simply assume that Italians and various others have “swarthiness” from the same source (falsely, according to the best info I can find without really caring).
Mediterranean Europeans are typically noticeably darker than Northern ad Eastern Europeans. Eye and hair color also clearly have a North-South and West-East gradient.
Does anybody dispute this?
A lot of people think it makes sense to speak of a Black race, a Caucasian race, and an Asian race as if two Black people would be as genetically similar as two Caucasians or as two Asians.
South American natives and Asian people are both descendants of the African tribe that left Africa ~100,000 years ago. Some South American natives have spent enough time near the equator so that they are also as Black as Africans.
Nobody ever grouped black South Americans into the same race as black Africans. Where did you get that idea?
Racial classifications were never determined solely by skin color.
I’m not sure that’s true if “nobody ever” is meant literally (and I’m pretty sure I’ve heard dark-skinned Indians referred to as black people a couple of times), but yadda yadda weak men yadda yadda, so good point.
But people do group people from Ghana with the same race as people from Somalia even through they differ a lot in DNA.
They’re more related to each other than either is to a European.
I take it the word “nobody” means ‘Nobody in some particular club’?
Uhm, neither of those are talking about South American natives as if they were “negroes”. I’m pretty sure they’re talking about the Afro-descended people living there, since they also distinguish between them and the natives.
I’ll grant that some thought the Pacific Islanders were “negroes” though.
I’m not at all sure that first part is true, in a practical sense. Though going by the actual method of classifying individuals does bring in other problems.
I don’t know if we’re talking past each other or if I’ve catastrophically misunderstood your point—but what does the first link have to do with the distinction between SA natives and Africans in SA?
It talks about people who “despise the Brazilian people because of the manifest admixture of African blood in their make-up.” Now this is ambiguous—most people in Brazil have non-zero African ancestry, maybe even more than white US citizens have. But it looks to me like the quoted author is in fact classifying people by skin color alone. They simply assume that Italians and various others have “swarthiness” from the same source (falsely, according to the best info I can find without really caring).
Oh, I see your point now.
Okay, I agree that racial characteristics were sometimes determined by only skin color.
Mediterranean Europeans are typically noticeably darker than Northern ad Eastern Europeans. Eye and hair color also clearly have a North-South and West-East gradient.