Not literally all idealists. Like, transhumanists and hardcore libertarians and people who like war for its own sake exist. But yes, all idealists I met, read, or heard of in my first phase of political reasoning (like, from four to twelve, so nothing more advanced than the Communist Manifesto) wanted something like this. The commies and the socialists and the very optimistic social-democrats and the hippies and the extreme right-wing racists and the anarchists and the prairie muffins and the politically naive cultists and the wheel reinventors.
But yes, all idealists I met, read, or heard of in my first phase of political reasoning (like, from four to twelve, so nothing more advanced than the Communist Manifesto)
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The commies and the socialists and the very optimistic social-democrats and the hippies
See, those are the ones I was thinking of.
the extreme right-wing racists and the anarchists and the prairie muffins and the politically naive cultists and the wheel reinventors.
Not literally all idealists. Like, transhumanists and hardcore libertarians and people who like war for its own sake exist.
I’m not sure why you think transhumanists and hardcore libertarians would be part of the exception you’re making. I’m kind of both of those things, yet I think the idealist utopia you describe, modulo a few nitpicks, is roughly what I’m after as well.
Fair point, but that thing is opt-out. You’re born and raised (if people are still being produced) in one of the communities, are socially expected to share, and if you decide you don’t like it you have to leave. I suppose we can still make Proudhon cry by having shared resources be truly collectively owned, so that if you leave you’re given portable possessions equal to the value of your share of community resources like plots of lands and machines.
Are you … sure that’s what idealists want?
Not literally all idealists. Like, transhumanists and hardcore libertarians and people who like war for its own sake exist. But yes, all idealists I met, read, or heard of in my first phase of political reasoning (like, from four to twelve, so nothing more advanced than the Communist Manifesto) wanted something like this. The commies and the socialists and the very optimistic social-democrats and the hippies and the extreme right-wing racists and the anarchists and the prairie muffins and the politically naive cultists and the wheel reinventors.
Zing!
See, those are the ones I was thinking of.
… and those aren’t. Thank you.
I’m not sure why you think transhumanists and hardcore libertarians would be part of the exception you’re making. I’m kind of both of those things, yet I think the idealist utopia you describe, modulo a few nitpicks, is roughly what I’m after as well.
Transhumanists usually lose the small communities, hardcore libertarians lose or tone way down the collectivism.
Libertarians don’t have any problem with voluntary, opt-in collectivism… I mean that’s kind of what corporations are.
Fair point, but that thing is opt-out. You’re born and raised (if people are still being produced) in one of the communities, are socially expected to share, and if you decide you don’t like it you have to leave. I suppose we can still make Proudhon cry by having shared resources be truly collectively owned, so that if you leave you’re given portable possessions equal to the value of your share of community resources like plots of lands and machines.