A P-zombie wouldn’t claim to be a P-zombie, now would it? But yea, I dont find anything ineffable or anything like “subjective” experience.
Are you saying that either you don’t consider the experiences of the colors blue and green to be different in any way (aside from the mere fact that although blue is blue and not green, green is green and not blue), or the difference between the two experiences is completely describable? And if the difference is describable… what is it?
“Complete describable” is not quite well defined without specifying a language that is itself well defined, but it’s not any LESS describable than anything else. That said, it’s quite hard to describe, like any other attempt at completely describing one part of a complex system defined by it’s interacting with the rest of the system. I am planing on actually doing it, and have made a doc and laid out titles and such, but it’s article length of neuroscience and philosophy so I keep procrastinating on it.
Describing the description of what the difference is is quite easy thou: Mostly the difference between blue and green is a long list of concepts and objects usually associated with one or the other, as well as maybe a few hardwired psychological reactions, and what physical phenomena usually causes them.
Actually getting anything meaningful out of just the description of the relative difference requires a much greater understanding of the underlying framework common to both than most people have, however. This to can be communicated, but this is significantly trickier.
Are you saying that either you don’t consider the experiences of the colors blue and green to be different in any way (aside from the mere fact that although blue is blue and not green, green is green and not blue), or the difference between the two experiences is completely describable? And if the difference is describable… what is it?
“Complete describable” is not quite well defined without specifying a language that is itself well defined, but it’s not any LESS describable than anything else. That said, it’s quite hard to describe, like any other attempt at completely describing one part of a complex system defined by it’s interacting with the rest of the system. I am planing on actually doing it, and have made a doc and laid out titles and such, but it’s article length of neuroscience and philosophy so I keep procrastinating on it.
Describing the description of what the difference is is quite easy thou: Mostly the difference between blue and green is a long list of concepts and objects usually associated with one or the other, as well as maybe a few hardwired psychological reactions, and what physical phenomena usually causes them.
Actually getting anything meaningful out of just the description of the relative difference requires a much greater understanding of the underlying framework common to both than most people have, however. This to can be communicated, but this is significantly trickier.