For example nobody talked about making Western liberal democracies like third-world hellholes, it was about making them like their former selves when crime levels were lower, violence was lower, people were politer, people were politer with women and so on.
Crime levels are lower in the West then they were in the past. It’s only media mentions of crime that have risen and which result in a majority of the population believing that crime rates haven’t fallen. Violence is down.
We haven’t gotten increased politeness to woman measured by factors like the number of man who open doors for woman. On the other hand we have a lot more equality than we had in the past. Feminism was never about demanding politeness.
Levels, not rates. Rates are largely about the police trying to look good in numbers. It is seriously difficult to quantify these things properly. One distinct impression I have is that violent behaviors escaped the lower classes and middle-class people stopped being so sheltered from them. Perhaps if I could find a database relating to the education level of the victims of violent crimes I could quantify that better. The 1900 to 1920′s idea of a romantic and dangerous “underworld” went away(example) ), but yet it affects middle-class people far more, from their angle of life experience life got more dangerous.
It is true that feminism is not about politeness, however politeness and preventing specifically violence as seemingly this was the core issue raised are closely related. A normal fella is not going to “please, good sir/madam” and then suddenly head-butt him/her. Formality is a way to avoid the kind of offense that gets retaliated physically, or a way to see if the other is peaceful and reliable, because if the other does not talk in a non-aggressive way then he is more likely to behave physically more aggressively and thus avoidance is advised. This is why it matters, not that relevant to feminism but relevant to safety, people being physically hurt and so on.
Levels, not rates. Rates are largely about the police trying to look good in numbers. It is seriously difficult to quantify these things properly.
There are victimization surveys that verify lower crime levels apart from amount of crime that the police deals with.
We can discuss whether it’s lead or the new clever crime fighting techniques that’s the cause for lower violence but the expert consensus on the subject is that crime is down just as the expert consensus on global warming is that temperatures are up.
but yet it affects middle-class people far more, from their angle of life experience life got more dangerous.
How do you know?
Formality is a way to avoid the kind of offense that gets retaliated physically
But it’s not the only way. I rather have a culture where people hug each other, are nice to each other and also openly speak about their concerns when that makes other people uncomfortable.
It might be that you personally prefer formality but other people don’t. Don’t project your desire for formality onto other people. It’s a right wing value and right wing values lost ;)
Right wing values losing is no reason why an idealistic youth should be pessimistic.
Crime levels are lower in the West then they were in the past. It’s only media mentions of crime that have risen and which result in a majority of the population believing that crime rates haven’t fallen. Violence is down.
We haven’t gotten increased politeness to woman measured by factors like the number of man who open doors for woman. On the other hand we have a lot more equality than we had in the past. Feminism was never about demanding politeness.
Levels, not rates. Rates are largely about the police trying to look good in numbers. It is seriously difficult to quantify these things properly. One distinct impression I have is that violent behaviors escaped the lower classes and middle-class people stopped being so sheltered from them. Perhaps if I could find a database relating to the education level of the victims of violent crimes I could quantify that better. The 1900 to 1920′s idea of a romantic and dangerous “underworld” went away(example) ), but yet it affects middle-class people far more, from their angle of life experience life got more dangerous.
It is true that feminism is not about politeness, however politeness and preventing specifically violence as seemingly this was the core issue raised are closely related. A normal fella is not going to “please, good sir/madam” and then suddenly head-butt him/her. Formality is a way to avoid the kind of offense that gets retaliated physically, or a way to see if the other is peaceful and reliable, because if the other does not talk in a non-aggressive way then he is more likely to behave physically more aggressively and thus avoidance is advised. This is why it matters, not that relevant to feminism but relevant to safety, people being physically hurt and so on.
There are victimization surveys that verify lower crime levels apart from amount of crime that the police deals with.
We can discuss whether it’s lead or the new clever crime fighting techniques that’s the cause for lower violence but the expert consensus on the subject is that crime is down just as the expert consensus on global warming is that temperatures are up.
How do you know?
But it’s not the only way. I rather have a culture where people hug each other, are nice to each other and also openly speak about their concerns when that makes other people uncomfortable.
It might be that you personally prefer formality but other people don’t. Don’t project your desire for formality onto other people. It’s a right wing value and right wing values lost ;) Right wing values losing is no reason why an idealistic youth should be pessimistic.