Are you in favor of destroying the habits of all wild animals who live in conditions with a lot of suffering?
Or to be more concrete, if I buy meat produced by destroying the habits of enough suffering wild animals so that cows can graze in the area, do you think I have done adequate offsetting for my meat consumption?
It seems unlikely to me that the amount of animal-suffering-per-area goes down when a factory farm replaces a natural habitat; natural selection is a much worse optimizer than human intelligence.
And that’s a false dichotomy anyway; even if factory farms did reduce suffering per area, you could instead pay for something else to be there that has even less suffering.
You claimed that you are interested in changing your mind. If that would be true you would be willing to find cruxes.
It’s different if your crux is that you don’t believe that factory farms destroy enough natural habitat than if your crux is that even if factory farms would destroy enough habitat they wouldn’t meaningfully offset the harm that you think they cause.
There are EA people who argue that everyone should use donate most of their resources to EA causes. It’s unclear to me why you shift to it when we discuss the issue of veganism.
Are you in favor of destroying the habits of all wild animals who live in conditions with a lot of suffering?
Or to be more concrete, if I buy meat produced by destroying the habits of enough suffering wild animals so that cows can graze in the area, do you think I have done adequate offsetting for my meat consumption?
It seems unlikely to me that the amount of animal-suffering-per-area goes down when a factory farm replaces a natural habitat; natural selection is a much worse optimizer than human intelligence.
And that’s a false dichotomy anyway; even if factory farms did reduce suffering per area, you could instead pay for something else to be there that has even less suffering.
You claimed that you are interested in changing your mind. If that would be true you would be willing to find cruxes.
It’s different if your crux is that you don’t believe that factory farms destroy enough natural habitat than if your crux is that even if factory farms would destroy enough habitat they wouldn’t meaningfully offset the harm that you think they cause.
There are EA people who argue that everyone should use donate most of their resources to EA causes. It’s unclear to me why you shift to it when we discuss the issue of veganism.