Thanks, I appreciate the concrete examples of untrustworthiness than don’t rely on inferences made about reputation. I am specifically concerned about things like this (which seems like a weird and bad direction to take a conversation (https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/). It also seems hard to recount falsely without active deception or complete detachment from reality and I doubt Ziz is completely detached from reality:
They asked if I’d rape their corpse. Part of me insisted this was not going as it was supposed to. But I decided inflicting discomfort in order to get reliable information was a valid tactic.
You say that you “never said that sentence or tried to imply it...” Do you have any sense of why Ziz interpreted you as saying that? I’d like to gauge the distance between what you said and how Ziz interpreted it to gauge degree-of-untrustworthiness.
Do you have any sense of why Ziz interpreted you as saying that?
I don’t know. I think part of the conversation was about some meta-level stuff on when it’s just and fair to attack MIRI and other institutions if they do something terrible. I don’t think I remember the details, but I might have said something like “I generally think it would be bad to make up outright lies and falsehoods about a thing, and I do think that if someone is very obviously making stuff up, something like a defamation lawsuit might make sense as a kind of last resort, though I am generally quite hesitant about defamation lawsuits and think they are pretty bad for the world”.
Again, I don’t remember the details, sadly. It was over 3 years ago. But my sense is that transforming sentences like the above into sentences like the one Ziz accuses me of is how most of their “quotes” work.
Thanks, I appreciate the concrete examples of untrustworthiness than don’t rely on inferences made about reputation. I am specifically concerned about things like this (which seems like a weird and bad direction to take a conversation (https://sinceriously.fyi/net-negative/). It also seems hard to recount falsely without active deception or complete detachment from reality and I doubt Ziz is completely detached from reality:
You say that you “never said that sentence or tried to imply it...” Do you have any sense of why Ziz interpreted you as saying that? I’d like to gauge the distance between what you said and how Ziz interpreted it to gauge degree-of-untrustworthiness.
I don’t know. I think part of the conversation was about some meta-level stuff on when it’s just and fair to attack MIRI and other institutions if they do something terrible. I don’t think I remember the details, but I might have said something like “I generally think it would be bad to make up outright lies and falsehoods about a thing, and I do think that if someone is very obviously making stuff up, something like a defamation lawsuit might make sense as a kind of last resort, though I am generally quite hesitant about defamation lawsuits and think they are pretty bad for the world”.
Again, I don’t remember the details, sadly. It was over 3 years ago. But my sense is that transforming sentences like the above into sentences like the one Ziz accuses me of is how most of their “quotes” work.