At least 50% of the disagreement between people who align more with MIRI/Eliezer and those who align more with opposing clusters of views (Christiano, Garfinkel, etc.) is caused not by rational disagreement, but by more subconscious emotional stuff like tastes, vibes, culture, politics, etc.
Can you say more about what defines the clusters? I disagree with this if you take the top 10 people in each cluster (maybe according to the metric of “general competence * amount of time investigating these views”), and I agree if you’re instead thinking of clusters of thousands of people.
Sure, I wasn’t clear enough about this in the post (there was also some confusion on Twitter about whether I was only referring to Christiano and Garfinkel rather than any “followers”).
I was thinking about roughly hundreds of people in each cluster, with the bar being something like “has made at least a few comments on LW or EAF related to alignment and/or works or is upskilling to work on alignment”.
Can you say more about what defines the clusters? I disagree with this if you take the top 10 people in each cluster (maybe according to the metric of “general competence * amount of time investigating these views”), and I agree if you’re instead thinking of clusters of thousands of people.
Sure, I wasn’t clear enough about this in the post (there was also some confusion on Twitter about whether I was only referring to Christiano and Garfinkel rather than any “followers”).
I was thinking about roughly hundreds of people in each cluster, with the bar being something like “has made at least a few comments on LW or EAF related to alignment and/or works or is upskilling to work on alignment”.