There is for sure a social hierarchy component to it.
Recently I’ve also been asking myself why I pay attention to the news. I decided that a it’s basically to get an idea of the current Overton window (or windows, as the case is now with various tribes) so I can bring that sensitivity to the state of mind of other people.… but there’s generally very little that’s actionable or relevant to me.
To push back slightly here, I think a term like I’m proposing would be a useful in other circumstances, take for example the slogan used proceeding and during Prohibition:
Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine
A short hand phrase for something along the lines of “that is a matter I’m not entitled to have an opinion on” or more to the point here “this is a matter that doesn’t seem relevant to me and that I would rather not be involved in” …
… and I don’t mean that in a snarky way. I don’t drink and on average I’d suspect most people would be happier if they and their families didn’t. But I dislike the enjoining quality of the slogan and honesty think a short retort to designed to get the slogan-sayer to reflect on why I should be enjoined and explain as such would make such conversations more productive and less contentious.
Sometimes I’ve found words in other languages there’s terms close to what I’m looking for. The best candidate might be the Turkish word… but that may only be because I don’t know Turkish.
I’m kind of responding and thinking outloud here.… thanks for being patient it’s taking me to longer to put my finger on this than I thought it might.
I do believe that attention should be treated as sacred, if anything should be.
I was thinking about this in the shower… with with something like “ Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine” or “Believe X” where X is some demographic group of people or a single person, there’s an aspect of “smuggling priors” that I dislike.
While I don’t drink, “Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine” is a shitty argument for not drinking. There’s an implied prior that personal preference in the behavior of romantic partners should be legislated.
But there are plenty of good arguments for reducing or excluding consumption of alcohol, that’s just not one of them.
With the Woody Allen case it’s a lot of “Believe X.” So long as X is describing a human(s), there’s a prior that one kind of human is inherently infallible (or at least substantially more credible).
But there may still be good reasons to pay attention to the case. It may be like there’s a novel takeaway from it similar to Gideon v. Wainwright.
In both situations I am more just fantasizing about a single word or term people could use to politely say “I’m not saying you’re wrong or that I don’t care, but I find your argument and evidence presented for it lacking in (framing, relevance to me, etc) although I could be be persuaded if your argument improved or you had better evidence for it.”
Just kind of seemed like something someone would have thought of before and coined a phrase for.
Sorry if I’m scattered here, thanks for helping my sort it out.
There is for sure a social hierarchy component to it.
Recently I’ve also been asking myself why I pay attention to the news. I decided that a it’s basically to get an idea of the current Overton window (or windows, as the case is now with various tribes) so I can bring that sensitivity to the state of mind of other people.… but there’s generally very little that’s actionable or relevant to me.
To push back slightly here, I think a term like I’m proposing would be a useful in other circumstances, take for example the slogan used proceeding and during Prohibition:
Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine
A short hand phrase for something along the lines of “that is a matter I’m not entitled to have an opinion on” or more to the point here “this is a matter that doesn’t seem relevant to me and that I would rather not be involved in” …
… and I don’t mean that in a snarky way. I don’t drink and on average I’d suspect most people would be happier if they and their families didn’t. But I dislike the enjoining quality of the slogan and honesty think a short retort to designed to get the slogan-sayer to reflect on why I should be enjoined and explain as such would make such conversations more productive and less contentious.
Sometimes I’ve found words in other languages there’s terms close to what I’m looking for. The best candidate might be the Turkish word… but that may only be because I don’t know Turkish.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/none_of_someone’s_business
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I’m kind of responding and thinking outloud here.… thanks for being patient it’s taking me to longer to put my finger on this than I thought it might.
I do believe that attention should be treated as sacred, if anything should be.
I was thinking about this in the shower… with with something like “ Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine” or “Believe X” where X is some demographic group of people or a single person, there’s an aspect of “smuggling priors” that I dislike.
While I don’t drink, “Lips That Touch Liquor Must Never Touch Mine” is a shitty argument for not drinking. There’s an implied prior that personal preference in the behavior of romantic partners should be legislated.
But there are plenty of good arguments for reducing or excluding consumption of alcohol, that’s just not one of them.
With the Woody Allen case it’s a lot of “Believe X.” So long as X is describing a human(s), there’s a prior that one kind of human is inherently infallible (or at least substantially more credible).
But there may still be good reasons to pay attention to the case. It may be like there’s a novel takeaway from it similar to Gideon v. Wainwright.
In both situations I am more just fantasizing about a single word or term people could use to politely say “I’m not saying you’re wrong or that I don’t care, but I find your argument and evidence presented for it lacking in (framing, relevance to me, etc) although I could be be persuaded if your argument improved or you had better evidence for it.”
Just kind of seemed like something someone would have thought of before and coined a phrase for.
Sorry if I’m scattered here, thanks for helping my sort it out.
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