Isn’t what you’re asking for basically traditional moderation? That can work to some extent, but I’ve also observed issues with bias, cliquishness, non-transparency, and general abuse of power in heavily moderated forums, so there’s room for improvement.
Those issues don’t tend to be as bad with a karma system because the power is more distributed, so there’s a less issue with any given individual voter acting corruptly. Karma voting can suffer from bandwagoning and group-think though.
This is just based on my personal observations from spending a lot of time on both traditionally moderated forums and on reddit and LW. In particular I feel more open to express myself on a forum where downvotes are the main form of punishment rather than banning.
ShardPhoenix explained. Whether you your or paper-machine happen to disagree with that explanation is an entirely different question to whether he explained. As such, this question is logically rude.
ShardPhoenix did not explain this (i.e. why those effects are stronger, not that they exist), and that was what the supposedly-logically-rude comment was in reference to.
Providing some set of effects that enter into a complex interplay and then asserting that they dominate is an incomplete argument. Noticing this is nothing like the examples of logical rudeness in your link. It’s not approaching this either.
Isn’t what you’re asking for basically traditional moderation? That can work to some extent, but I’ve also observed issues with bias, cliquishness, non-transparency, and general abuse of power in heavily moderated forums, so there’s room for improvement.
These are all obviously problems with any typical democratic karma system.
Those issues don’t tend to be as bad with a karma system because the power is more distributed, so there’s a less issue with any given individual voter acting corruptly. Karma voting can suffer from bandwagoning and group-think though.
Previously.
Individual voters acting corruptly. Previously. And previously.
I’m not saying they don’t do it, I’m saying it has less effect than biased moderation.
Are you going to explain why, or just keep re-asserting it?
This is just based on my personal observations from spending a lot of time on both traditionally moderated forums and on reddit and LW. In particular I feel more open to express myself on a forum where downvotes are the main form of punishment rather than banning.
He did. You are being disingenuous.
ShardPhoenix did not come close to establishing that you could expect moderation to be biased enough that it would be worse.
ShardPhoenix explained. Whether you your or paper-machine happen to disagree with that explanation is an entirely different question to whether he explained. As such, this question is logically rude.
ShardPhoenix did not explain this (i.e. why those effects are stronger, not that they exist), and that was what the supposedly-logically-rude comment was in reference to.
Providing some set of effects that enter into a complex interplay and then asserting that they dominate is an incomplete argument. Noticing this is nothing like the examples of logical rudeness in your link. It’s not approaching this either.
If you believe that, I’ve got an invisible dragon in my garage up for sale.