I think what we’re discussing requires approaching the problem with a mindset entirely foreign to the mainstream one. Consider how many words it took us to get to this point in the conversation, despite the fact that, as it turns out, we basically agree on everything. The inferential distance between the standard frameworks in which AI researchers think, and here, is pretty vast.
True!
I expect that if the mainstream AI researchers do make strides in the direction you’re envisioning, they’ll only do it by coincidence. Then probably they won’t even realize what they’ve stumbled upon, do some RLHF on it, be dissatisfied with the result, and keep trying to make it have agency out of the box. (That’s basically what already happened with GPT-4, to @janus’ dismay.)
Yup—this is part of the reason why I’m optimistic, oddly enough. Before GPT-likes became dominant in language models, there was all kinds of flailing that often pointed in more agenty-by-default directions. That flailing then found GPT because it was easily accessible and strong.
Now, the architectural pieces subject to similar flailing is much smaller, and I’m guessing we’re only one round of benchmarks at scale from a major lab before the flailing shrinks dramatically further.
In other words, I think the necessary work to make this path take off is small and the benefits will be greedily visible. I suspect one well-positioned researcher could probably swing it.
That said, you’re making some high-quality novel predictions here, and I’ll keep them in mind when analyzing AI advancements going forward.
Thanks, and thanks for engaging!
Come to think of it, I’ve got a chunk of mana laying around for subsidy. Maybe I’ll see if I can come up with some decent resolution criteria for a market.
True!
Yup—this is part of the reason why I’m optimistic, oddly enough. Before GPT-likes became dominant in language models, there was all kinds of flailing that often pointed in more agenty-by-default directions. That flailing then found GPT because it was easily accessible and strong.
Now, the architectural pieces subject to similar flailing is much smaller, and I’m guessing we’re only one round of benchmarks at scale from a major lab before the flailing shrinks dramatically further.
In other words, I think the necessary work to make this path take off is small and the benefits will be greedily visible. I suspect one well-positioned researcher could probably swing it.
Thanks, and thanks for engaging!
Come to think of it, I’ve got a chunk of mana laying around for subsidy. Maybe I’ll see if I can come up with some decent resolution criteria for a market.