Why don’t you tell me that it’s ok to screw our friends with an enormous, unexpected bill because your contract was garbage and it would hurt the program’s budget to treat them fairly? Even though it’s against all of your your own instrumental goals, even though you have no legal basis, even though that’s an incredibly heartless, dick thing to do.
You seem to be suggesting that’s perfectly rational behavior and not crazy at all, so why don’t you elaborate on that.
“It would hurt the program’s budget to treat them fairly” could be perfectly rational behavior. You don’t know the event organizer’s instrumental goals—although there does appear to be some disconnect between the expressed goals and the revealed preferences.
The event organizer’s actions might even be legal (“Your contract is garbage,” without a lot more context, is not a legal argument).
It’s still a jerk move. And I sympathize with the people being hurt by it.
Still, I don’t care about Cryonics events. I’m writing only to try and help you calibrate how to write persuasively and informatively.
I’m not trying to write persuasively. I already have all the information in the first place. I know the organizers reasons, she told them to me. I know the contract is garbage, I just looked at it last night to make certain I was actually corresponding fully with reality here. If I wanted to be persuasive I would have just laid all of that on the line. But I don’t want to do that here. I’m not trying to persuade the people who don’t believe me, I’m just trying to make sure anybody who seriously cares about this can see it, and knows they can get more information from me if they want it in order to better make a decision. Since it’s relatively costless to simply ask me for the evidence, it’s silly for anybody who seriously cares about the answer to complain that they don’t believe me without even asking.
You aren’t writing informatively either, because you have a clear axe to grind beyond informing others of what happened. Also, a well written piece doesn’t require additional clarification. If you can’t write a good essay without including information you would hesitate to reveal publicly, then no publicly available good essay is writable.
I wrote elsewhere about different possible meanings of believing you. Suffice it to say that one could believe iceman and still not believe you. That’s essentially where I’m at—and I have no intention of investigating further, because I’m not someone who seriously cares about this issue.
You seem to think the social pressure that led iceman to post has caused a serious harm to iceman (or others). I acknowledge the social pressure, but don’t see the serious harm that you seem to see. Given that I’ve never heard of this event before, retaliation by the organizer beyond exclusion from future events is so remote as to be unimaginable by me.
So why don’t you respond down here?
http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/gys/young_cryonicist_gathering_warning/8loh
Why don’t you tell me that it’s ok to screw our friends with an enormous, unexpected bill because your contract was garbage and it would hurt the program’s budget to treat them fairly? Even though it’s against all of your your own instrumental goals, even though you have no legal basis, even though that’s an incredibly heartless, dick thing to do.
You seem to be suggesting that’s perfectly rational behavior and not crazy at all, so why don’t you elaborate on that.
“It would hurt the program’s budget to treat them fairly” could be perfectly rational behavior. You don’t know the event organizer’s instrumental goals—although there does appear to be some disconnect between the expressed goals and the revealed preferences.
The event organizer’s actions might even be legal (“Your contract is garbage,” without a lot more context, is not a legal argument).
It’s still a jerk move. And I sympathize with the people being hurt by it.
Still, I don’t care about Cryonics events. I’m writing only to try and help you calibrate how to write persuasively and informatively.
I’m not trying to write persuasively. I already have all the information in the first place. I know the organizers reasons, she told them to me. I know the contract is garbage, I just looked at it last night to make certain I was actually corresponding fully with reality here. If I wanted to be persuasive I would have just laid all of that on the line. But I don’t want to do that here. I’m not trying to persuade the people who don’t believe me, I’m just trying to make sure anybody who seriously cares about this can see it, and knows they can get more information from me if they want it in order to better make a decision. Since it’s relatively costless to simply ask me for the evidence, it’s silly for anybody who seriously cares about the answer to complain that they don’t believe me without even asking.
You aren’t writing informatively either, because you have a clear axe to grind beyond informing others of what happened. Also, a well written piece doesn’t require additional clarification. If you can’t write a good essay without including information you would hesitate to reveal publicly, then no publicly available good essay is writable.
I wrote elsewhere about different possible meanings of believing you. Suffice it to say that one could believe iceman and still not believe you. That’s essentially where I’m at—and I have no intention of investigating further, because I’m not someone who seriously cares about this issue.
You seem to think the social pressure that led iceman to post has caused a serious harm to iceman (or others). I acknowledge the social pressure, but don’t see the serious harm that you seem to see. Given that I’ve never heard of this event before, retaliation by the organizer beyond exclusion from future events is so remote as to be unimaginable by me.
And I’m tapping out.