This is exactly the type of problems that mathematicians have tried to solve
I am not sure this is a mathematical problem. Generally speaking, giving a minority the veto power trades off minority safety against government ability to do things. In the limit you have decision making by consensus which has obvious problems.
quadratic vote buying
What do you buy votes with? Money? Then it’s an easy way for the blue people to first take orange people’s stuff and then, once the orange people run out of resources to buy votes with, to kill them anyway.
Generally speaking, giving a minority the veto power trades off minority safety against government ability to do things. In the limit you have decision making by consensus which has obvious problems.
That’s precisely why it is a mathematical problem… you need to quantify the tradeoffs, and figure out which voting schemes maximize different value schemes and utility functions. Math can’t SOLVE this problem because it’s a ought problem, not an is problem.
But you can’t answer the ought side of things without first knowing the is side.
In terms of quadratic vote buying, money is only one way to do it, another is to have an artificial or digital currency just for vote buying, for which people get a fixed amount for the year.
I don’t think your concept of it really makes sense in the context of modern government with a police force, international oversight, etc. All voting schemes break down when you assume a base state of anarchy—but assuming there’s already a rule of law in place, you can maximize how effective those laws are (or the politicians who make them) by changing your voting rules.
That’s precisely why it is a mathematical problem… Math can’t SOLVE this problem
Ahem.
in the context of modern government with a police force, international oversight, etc.
I would be quite interested to learn who exerts “international oversight” over, say, USA.
Besides, are you really saying a “modern” government can do no wrong??
assuming there’s already a rule of law in place, you can maximize how effective those laws are
I’m sorry, I’m not talking about the executive function of the government which merely implements the laws, I’m talking about the legislative function which actually makes the laws. There is no assumption of the base state of anarchy.
You claimed this is a mathematical problem, but in the next breath said that math can’t solve it. Then what was the point of claiming it to be a math problem in the first place? Just because dealing with it involves numbers? That does not make it a math problem.
The UN
LOL. Can we please stick a bit closer to the real world?
Would a historical example of what you’re talking about be the legality of slavery?
Actually, the first example that comes to mind is the when the US decided that all Americans who happen to be of Japanese descent and have the misfortune to live on the West Coast need to be rounded up and sent to concentration, err.. internment camps.
I am not sure this is a mathematical problem. Generally speaking, giving a minority the veto power trades off minority safety against government ability to do things. In the limit you have decision making by consensus which has obvious problems.
What do you buy votes with? Money? Then it’s an easy way for the blue people to first take orange people’s stuff and then, once the orange people run out of resources to buy votes with, to kill them anyway.
That’s precisely why it is a mathematical problem… you need to quantify the tradeoffs, and figure out which voting schemes maximize different value schemes and utility functions. Math can’t SOLVE this problem because it’s a ought problem, not an is problem.
But you can’t answer the ought side of things without first knowing the is side.
In terms of quadratic vote buying, money is only one way to do it, another is to have an artificial or digital currency just for vote buying, for which people get a fixed amount for the year.
I don’t think your concept of it really makes sense in the context of modern government with a police force, international oversight, etc. All voting schemes break down when you assume a base state of anarchy—but assuming there’s already a rule of law in place, you can maximize how effective those laws are (or the politicians who make them) by changing your voting rules.
Ahem.
I would be quite interested to learn who exerts “international oversight” over, say, USA.
Besides, are you really saying a “modern” government can do no wrong??
I’m sorry, I’m not talking about the executive function of the government which merely implements the laws, I’m talking about the legislative function which actually makes the laws. There is no assumption of the base state of anarchy.
This isn’t helpful. There’s nothing for me to respond to.
The UN (specifically, other very powerful countries that trade with the US).
Would a historical example of what you’re talking about be the legality of slavery?
Let me unroll my ahem.
You claimed this is a mathematical problem, but in the next breath said that math can’t solve it. Then what was the point of claiming it to be a math problem in the first place? Just because dealing with it involves numbers? That does not make it a math problem.
LOL. Can we please stick a bit closer to the real world?
Actually, the first example that comes to mind is the when the US decided that all Americans who happen to be of Japanese descent and have the misfortune to live on the West Coast need to be rounded up and sent to concentration, err.. internment camps.
Problems can have a mathematical aspect without being completely solvable by math.