I can’t remember having ever been in any of those situations, but introspective testing (unreliable, but better than nothing) says you’re probably right, and roughly analogous situations indicate the same.
… and how the hay do people like that survive? That’s just so… exploitable. I consider myself extremely easy to manipulate, but that’s in an absolute compsci way and I have no idea how it places me on a curve compared to other humans… If what you’re saying is true, then there is a fair (but still not large) chance I could make a working suicide rock!
Good question. A large part of the answer is probably that exploitation is considered manipulation by onlookers, and so potential exploiters (correctly) deem it ethical to refrain, or are punished.
a working suicide rock
Mass suicides in doomsday cults, and suicide pacts, suggest that it partially works on particularly vulnerable populations.
Good question. A large part of the answer is probably that exploitation is considered manipulation by onlookers, and so potential exploiters (correctly) deem it ethical to refrain, or are punished.
I suspect that it’s often by staying within “safe” social circles in which people don’t take advantage of them too hard.
Not remotely as scary as a whole lot of other things that are also real and I know about. But still pretty scary.
And the thing you mentioned where they try to cooperate dosn’t sound like it’d work very well, more like it’d just introduce even further vulnerabilities at least once you take it into account. But maybe it turns out more effective in practice.
Update: I’ve been playing around a bit with prisoner’s dilemma simulations (not particularly ruthless ones). If nice retaliating strategies (like tit-for-tat) rise fast enough, then patches of unconditional cooperation can survive by leaning on them and each other. So it seems to works. My simulation wasn’t particularly ruthless, though.
I can’t remember having ever been in any of those situations, but introspective testing (unreliable, but better than nothing) says you’re probably right, and roughly analogous situations indicate the same.
… and how the hay do people like that survive? That’s just so… exploitable. I consider myself extremely easy to manipulate, but that’s in an absolute compsci way and I have no idea how it places me on a curve compared to other humans… If what you’re saying is true, then there is a fair (but still not large) chance I could make a working suicide rock!
Good question. A large part of the answer is probably that exploitation is considered manipulation by onlookers, and so potential exploiters (correctly) deem it ethical to refrain, or are punished.
Mass suicides in doomsday cults, and suicide pacts, suggest that it partially works on particularly vulnerable populations.
I suspect that it’s often by staying within “safe” social circles in which people don’t take advantage of them too hard.
Ok, that’s scary… O_o
Not remotely as scary as a whole lot of other things that are also real and I know about. But still pretty scary.
And the thing you mentioned where they try to cooperate dosn’t sound like it’d work very well, more like it’d just introduce even further vulnerabilities at least once you take it into account. But maybe it turns out more effective in practice.
Update: I’ve been playing around a bit with prisoner’s dilemma simulations (not particularly ruthless ones). If nice retaliating strategies (like tit-for-tat) rise fast enough, then patches of unconditional cooperation can survive by leaning on them and each other. So it seems to works. My simulation wasn’t particularly ruthless, though.
/me is a born sucker… probably