I see at least three different topics here (maybe more could be found in other articles and discussions) -- speaking of women as objects; unsupported or incorrect theories about differences between men and women; unfriendly environment—and I believe each of them deserves to be discussed separately.
I think the assumption here is that LW is some sort of a sealed environment, living in a vacuum only of its own generated ideas. Needless to say, it’s not like that: everybody will continue to bring here, rationality or not, basic imprinting from life AFK. This includes other-sex objectification (let’s not illude ourselves with thinking that one side is less wrong than the other), incorrect thinking, etc.
I agree though that if we are not able to win on gender issues, we are doomed.
I’m having trouble understanding the first part of your comment. It sounds like you’re saying that the quoted portion of Viliam_Bur’s comment assumes LW is a sealed environment, but I’m not seeing where that assumption comes in. It reads to me like just a straightforward summary of and response to what was in the original post.
Are you saying that his suggestion that we can solve these issues by discussing them is overly optimistic?
Are you saying that his suggestion that we can solve these issues by discussing them is overly optimistic?
Yes, that’s basically it. If we think we can solve this LW’s issue by simply discussing within LW boundaries, I believe then that we are assuming a sealed environment. Which is not, and which will lead any of such discussions to a jumbled failure (insofar and in the future).
I think the assumption here is that LW is some sort of a sealed environment, living in a vacuum only of its own generated ideas. Needless to say, it’s not like that: everybody will continue to bring here, rationality or not, basic imprinting from life AFK. This includes other-sex objectification (let’s not illude ourselves with thinking that one side is less wrong than the other), incorrect thinking, etc.
I agree though that if we are not able to win on gender issues, we are doomed.
I’m having trouble understanding the first part of your comment. It sounds like you’re saying that the quoted portion of Viliam_Bur’s comment assumes LW is a sealed environment, but I’m not seeing where that assumption comes in. It reads to me like just a straightforward summary of and response to what was in the original post.
Are you saying that his suggestion that we can solve these issues by discussing them is overly optimistic?
Yes, that’s basically it. If we think we can solve this LW’s issue by simply discussing within LW boundaries, I believe then that we are assuming a sealed environment. Which is not, and which will lead any of such discussions to a jumbled failure (insofar and in the future).
Ah, thanks for the clarification.